[97560] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: TransAtlantic Cable Break
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Fri Jun 22 14:12:24 2007
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:14:20 +0100
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>,
"Hank Nussbacher" <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il>
Cc: "nanog" <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Protected 10 gig waves NYC/London are extremely expensive. Say $60K or =
more per month.=20
So it usually makes sense for the Layer 3 guys to lease diversely routed =
10 gig waves and do the protection themselves using MPLS or load =
balancing or some other protocol about which I know little ...
Roderick S. Beck
Hibernia Atlantic
1 Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.=20
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com
rodbeck@erols.com
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Sean Donelan
Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 4:56 PM
To: Hank Nussbacher
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break
=20
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>> Tell that to the 10 gig wave customers who lost service. Very few =
cable
>> systems provide protection at the 10 gig wave level.
>
> If you don't pay the extra amount for a protected circuit, why should =
your=20
> circuit get protection for free when others have to pay for it? Now, =
if=20
> there are 10G customers with protected circuits who lost service, then =
> hopefully they have in their contract hefty penalty clauses against =
the=20
> carrier. If not, then they are just plain stupid.
Is paying for "protected circuits" actually worth it. Or are you better =
off just buying two circuits and using both during normal conditions.=20
Use switching at layer 3 to the remaining circuit during abnormal=20
conditions. Most of the time, you get twice the capacity for only twice
the price instead of a "protected circuit" where you only get the once=20
the capacity for twice the price.
Of course, there is still the problem some facility provider will =
"groom"=20
both your circuits on to the same cable. If you are buying pre-emptable =
circuits, hopefully you understand what that means.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Protected 10 gig waves NYC/London are extremely =
expensive. Say $60K or more per month.<BR>
<BR>
So it usually makes sense for the Layer 3 guys to lease diversely routed =
10 gig waves and do the protection themselves using MPLS or load =
balancing or some other protocol about which I know little ...<BR>
<BR>
Roderick S. Beck<BR>
Hibernia Atlantic<BR>
1 Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris<BR>
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Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.<BR>
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209<BR>
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com<BR>
rodbeck@erols.com<BR>
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Sean Donelan<BR>
Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 4:56 PM<BR>
To: Hank Nussbacher<BR>
Cc: nanog<BR>
Subject: Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Hank Nussbacher wrote:<BR>
>> Tell that to the 10 gig wave customers who lost service. Very =
few cable<BR>
>> systems provide protection at the 10 gig wave level.<BR>
><BR>
> If you don't pay the extra amount for a protected circuit, why =
should your<BR>
> circuit get protection for free when others have to pay for =
it? Now, if<BR>
> there are 10G customers with protected circuits who lost service, =
then<BR>
> hopefully they have in their contract hefty penalty clauses against =
the<BR>
> carrier. If not, then they are just plain stupid.<BR>
<BR>
Is paying for "protected circuits" actually worth it. Or =
are you better<BR>
off just buying two circuits and using both during normal =
conditions.<BR>
Use switching at layer 3 to the remaining circuit during abnormal<BR>
conditions. Most of the time, you get twice the capacity for only =
twice<BR>
the price instead of a "protected circuit" where you only get =
the once<BR>
the capacity for twice the price.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, there is still the problem some facility provider will =
"groom"<BR>
both your circuits on to the same cable. If you are buying =
pre-emptable<BR>
circuits, hopefully you understand what that means.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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