[95276] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: The Chicken or the Egg.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hammett)
Tue Mar 13 21:04:24 2007
From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:03:30 -0500
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If you're multihomed, which everyone should be, there's a smaller
requirement.
--Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:03 PM
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Subject: The Chicken or the Egg.
Well the subject describes my frustration.
We are a small ISP that currently has 6 /24s. Over the last year we have
inked some deals for some hotels and apartment complexes that would push us
over the required /20 to get our own allocation. Many of these locations
are new sites nearing their completion so with in 90 to 120 days. The
first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6 weeks and the vendor that
handle the hospitality networks want their addresses now. The road block
has been that ARIN wants us to get the remaining /24s from our upstream,
assign them to our customers then get our /20, then renumber out network.
Many of these hotels are big chains and they don't seem to want deal with
this not to mention it makes us look even smaller.
In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small
operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the wrong
verbage. Would the 4.2.1.4 <http://4.2.1.4/> Slow Start apply in my case?
What about the 4.2.6 for Cable Operators? It seems kind of unfair, if I
read this correctly, that they gain IPs biased on the number of homes that
could purchase service. We have a WiSP network with a very large foot
print where I am using most of my address space. I wan't to minimize
renumbering my customers.
To add to this I want to be portable. Since AT&T has bought BellSouth my
upstream provider is now declaring war on me. But this is a rant for
another time.
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>list =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 13, =
2007
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> The Chicken or =
the Egg.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Well the subject describes my frustration.<br>
<br>
We are a small ISP that currently has 6 /24s. Over the last year =
we have
inked some deals for some hotels and apartment complexes that would push =
us
over the required /20 to get our own allocation. Many of these =
locations
are new sites nearing their completion so with in 90 to 120 =
days.
The first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6 weeks and the vendor =
that
handle the hospitality networks want their addresses now. The road =
block
has been that ARIN wants us to get the remaining /24s from our upstream, =
assign
them to our customers then get our /20, then renumber out network. =
Many of
these hotels are big chains and they don't seem to want deal with this =
not to
mention it makes us look even smaller. <br>
<br>
In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small
operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the =
wrong
verbage. Would the <a href=3D"http://4.2.1.4/" =
target=3D"_blank">4.2.1.4</a>
Slow Start apply in my case? What about the 4.2.6 for Cable
Operators? It seems kind of unfair, if I read this =
correctly, that
they gain IPs biased on the number of homes that could purchase
service. We have a WiSP network with a very large foot print =
where
I am using most of my address space. I wan't to minimize =
renumbering my
customers. <br>
<br>
To add to this I want to be portable. Since AT&T has bought =
BellSouth
my upstream provider is now declaring war on me. But =
this is
a rant for another time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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