[95009] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: botnets: web servers, end-systems and Vint Cerf
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gadi Evron)
Fri Feb 16 22:18:03 2007
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:02:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>
To: "J. Oquendo" <sil@infiltrated.net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <45D5FAE9.4030707@infiltrated.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, J. Oquendo wrote:
> michael.dillon@bt.com wrote:
> >
> > You misunderstand. The problem of securing machines *IS* solved. It is
> > possible. It is regularly done with servers connected to the Internet.
> > There is no *COMPUTING* problem or technical problem.
> > The problem of the 100 million machines is a social or business problem.
> > We know how they can be secured, but the solution is not being
> > implemented.
> >
> > --Michael Dillon
> >
>
> After all these years, I'm still surprised a consortium of ISP's haven't
> figured out a way to do something a-la Packet Fence for their clients
A walled garden? Surprisingly, despite little faith on NANOG, quite a few
ISPs are now employing these technologies and saving money.
Gadi.
> where - whenever an infected machine is detected after logging in, that
> machine is thrown into say a VLAN with instructions on how to clean
> their machines before they're allowed to go further and stay online. If
> you ask me, traffic providers (NSP's/NAP's) and ISP's don't mind this
> garbage coming out of their networks, if they did they'd actually ban
> together and do something about it. Its obvious those charging for
> traffic will say little. Minimized traffic means minimized revenue. All
> I see is "No we despise that kind of traffic" along with a shrug and
> nothing being done about it. I'm sure if some legislative body somewhere
> started levying fines against providers, the net would be a cleaner
> place. For comments on 100 million infected machines... Doubtable.
> Anyone can play fuzzy math games, heck I just strangely figured out that
> MS is costing me an arm and a leg!
> http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg04755.html
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