[94845] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: death of the net predicted by deloitte -- film at 11
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen Sprunk)
Sun Feb 11 22:42:34 2007
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org>
To: "Daniel Senie" <dts@senie.com>
Cc: "North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:32:11 -0600
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Thus spake "Daniel Senie" <dts@senie.com>
> At 02:57 PM 2/11/2007, Paul Vixie wrote:
>>...wouldn't there be, if interdomain multicast existed and had a
>>billing
>>model that could lead to a compelling business model? right now, to
>>the
>>best of my knowledge, all large multicast flows are still intradomain.
>
> IP Multicast as a solution to video distribution is a non-starter. IP
> Multicast for the wide area is a failure. It assumes large numbers of
> people will watch the same content at the same time. The usage model
> that could work for it most mimics the broadcast environment before
> cable TV, when there were anywhere from three to ten channels to
> choose from, and everyone watched one of those. That model has not
> made sense in a long time. The proponents of IP Multicast seem to have
> failed to notice this.
IPmc would be useful for sports, news, and other live events. Think
about how many people sit around their TVs staring at such things; it's
probably a significant fraction of all TV-watching time. Better yet,
folks who want to watch particular sports games will be concentrated in
the two cities that are playing (i.e. high fanout at the bottom of the
tree), which multicast delivery excels at compared to unicast.
For non-live content, even if one assumes people want their next episode
of "24" on demand, wouldn't it make more sense to multicast it to STBs
that are set to record it (or that predict their owners will want to see
it), vs. using P2P or direct download? That'll save you gobs and gobs
of bandwidth _immediately following the new program's release_. After
that majority of viewers get their copy, you can transition the program
to another system (e.g. P2P) that is more amenable to on-demand
downloading of "old" content.
Of course, this is a pointless discussion since residential multicast is
virtually non-existent today, and there's no sign of it being imminent.
Anyone want to take bets on whether IPmc or IPv6 shows up first? ;-)
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
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