[94453] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Google wants to be your Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Golding)
Tue Jan 23 11:10:14 2007
In-Reply-To: <20070122172805.GP2407@burnout.tpb.net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
From: Daniel Golding <dgolding@t1r.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:52:45 -0500
To: Niels Bakker <niels=nanog@bakker.net>
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One interesting point - they plan to use Broadband over Power Line
(BPL) technology to do this. Meter monitoring is the killer app for
BPL, which can then also be used for home broadband, Meter reading is
one of the top costs and trickiest problems for utilities.
- Dan
On Jan 22, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
>
> * nanog@shankland.org (Jim Shankland) [Mon 22 Jan 2007, 18:21 CET]:
>> "Travis H." <travis+ml-nanog@subspacefield.org> writes:
>>> IIRC, someone representing the electrical companies approached
>>> someone representing network providers, possibly the IETF, to ask
>>> about the feasibility of using IP to monitor the electrical
>>> meters throughout the US....
>>> The response was "yeah, well, maybe with IPv6".
>>
>> Which is nonsense. More gently, it's only true if you not only
>> want to use IP to monitor electrical meters, but want the use the
>> (global) Internet to monitor electrical meters.
>>
>> I'd love to hear the business case for why my home electrical
>> meter needs to be directly IP-addressable from an Internet cafe in
>> Lagos.
>
> It's not nonsense. Those elements need to be unique. RFC1918
> isn't unique enough (think what happens during a corporate merger).
>
>
> -- Niels.
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