[94422] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e tc connectivity disrupted
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Sun Jan 21 23:31:05 2007
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:14:02 -0000
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Hi Sean,=20
I don't really understand your argument. I have no clue what this =
'assurance' means in the context of managing telecommunications =
networks.=20
No one is claiming that risk can be eliminated - but can be greatly =
reduced by proper physical diversity.=20
And for the Federal Reserve, I don't necessarily believe they are =
experts in building telecommunication networks. They may be, but you =
have do more than just assert it.=20
For all I know, the groups you cited are simply not that good at =
managing network risk.=20
Maybe there is a compelling argument, but you have elaborate it.
- R.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Sean Donelan
Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 11:39 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel =
/ KT e tc connectivity disrupted
=20
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
> Well, gentlemen, you have to ask for the fiber maps and have them=20
> placed in the contract as an exhibit.
>
> Most of the large commercial banks are doing it. It's doable, but it=20
> does require effort.
Uhm, did you bother to read the NDAI report? The Federal Reserve =
learned
several lessons. Fiber maps are not sufficient. If you are relying=20
just on fiber maps, you are going to learn the same lesson again and=20
again.
The FAA, Federal Reserve, SFTI and SMART are probably at the top as
far as trying to engineer their networks and maintain diversity=20
assurances. But even the Federal Reserve found the cost more than
it could afford. What commercial banks are doing is impressive,
but only in a "commercially reasonable" way. Some residual risk and=20
outages are always going to exist.
No matter what the salesman tells you, Murphy still lives.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Sean,<BR>
<BR>
I don't really understand your argument. I have no clue what this =
'assurance' means in the context of managing telecommunications =
networks.<BR>
<BR>
No one is claiming that risk can be eliminated - but can be greatly =
reduced by proper physical diversity.<BR>
<BR>
And for the Federal Reserve, I don't necessarily believe they are =
experts in building telecommunication networks. They may be, but you =
have do more than just assert it.<BR>
<BR>
For all I know, the groups you cited are simply not that good at =
managing network risk.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe there is a compelling argument, but you have elaborate it.<BR>
<BR>
- R.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Sean Donelan<BR>
Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 11:39 PM<BR>
To: nanog@merit.edu<BR>
Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel =
/ KT e tc connectivity disrupted<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:<BR>
> Well, gentlemen, you have to ask for the fiber maps and have =
them<BR>
> placed in the contract as an exhibit.<BR>
><BR>
> Most of the large commercial banks are doing it. It's doable, but =
it<BR>
> does require effort.<BR>
<BR>
Uhm, did you bother to read the NDAI report? The Federal Reserve =
learned<BR>
several lessons. Fiber maps are not sufficient. If you are =
relying<BR>
just on fiber maps, you are going to learn the same lesson again and<BR>
again.<BR>
<BR>
The FAA, Federal Reserve, SFTI and SMART are probably at the top as<BR>
far as trying to engineer their networks and maintain diversity<BR>
assurances. But even the Federal Reserve found the cost more =
than<BR>
it could afford. What commercial banks are doing is impressive,<BR>
but only in a "commercially reasonable" way. Some residual =
risk and<BR>
outages are always going to exist.<BR>
<BR>
No matter what the salesman tells you, Murphy still lives.<BR>
<BR>
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