[94095] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Tue Jan 9 14:14:42 2007
In-Reply-To: <FA5ECFFA-75DA-4305-8674-21BBA870FC0F@multicasttech.com>
Cc: Joe Abley <jabley@ca.afilias.info>,
Thomas Leavitt <thomas@thomasleavitt.org>, nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:55:47 -0500
To: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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This is a little presumptuous on my part, but what other reason would
motivate a migration to IPv6. I fail to see us running out of unicast
addresses any time soon. I have been hearing IPv6 is coming for many
years now. I think video service is really the only motivation for
migrating.
I am wrong on plenty of things. This may very well be one of them. :-)
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
>
>> You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small
>> closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly
>> change.
>
> I am curious. Why do you think that ?
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
>> One of my previous assertions was the possibility of streaming
>> video as the major motivator of IPv6 migration. Without it, video
>> streaming to a large market, outside of multicasting in a closed
>> network, is not scalable, and therefore, not feasible. Unicast
>> streaming is a short-term bandwidth-hogging solution without a
>> future at high take rates.
>>
>> Gian Anthony Constantine
>> Senior Network Design Engineer
>> Earthlink, Inc.
>> Office: 404-748-6207
>> Cell: 404-808-4651
>> Internal Ext: x22007
>> constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Joe Abley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 9-Jan-2007, at 11:29, Gian Constantine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at
>>>> certain times. There is often a back and forth between
>>>> BitTorrent and NNTP traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent
>>>> traffic for this very reason. Massive increases in this type of
>>>> traffic would not be looked upon favorably.
>>>
>>> The act of regulating p2p traffic is a bit like playing whack-a-
>>> mole. At what point does it cost more to play that game than it
>>> costs to build out to carry the traffic?
>>>
>>>> If you considered my previous posts, you would know I agree
>>>> streaming is scary on a large scale, but unicast streaming is
>>>> what I reference. Multicast streaming is the real solution.
>>>> Ultimately, a global multicast network is the only way to
>>>> deliver these services to a large market.
>>>
>>> The trouble with IP multicast is that it doesn't exist, in a wide-
>>> scale, deployed, inter-provider sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>
>
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my part, but what other reason would motivate a migration to IPv6. I =
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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan 9, =
2007, at 1:04 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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margin-left: 0px; ">You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a =
few small closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am curious. Why do you think =
that ?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Regards</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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">Marshall</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">One of my previous =
assertions was the possibility of streaming video as the major motivator =
of IPv6 migration. Without it, video streaming to a large market, =
outside of multicasting in a closed network, is not scalable, and =
therefore, not feasible. Unicast streaming is a short-term =
bandwidth-hogging solution without a future at high take =
rates.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Network Design Engineer</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Office: =
404-748-6207</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cell: 404-808-4651</DIV><DIV =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan 9, =
2007, at 11:47 AM, Joe Abley wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On =
9-Jan-2007, at 11:29, Gian Constantine wrote:</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Those numbers are reasonably =
accurate for some networks at certain times. There is often a back and =
forth between BitTorrent and NNTP traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent =
traffic for this very reason. Massive increases in this type of traffic =
would not be looked upon favorably.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The act =
of regulating p2p traffic is a bit like playing whack-a-mole. At what =
point does it cost more to play that game than it costs to build out to =
carry the traffic?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If you =
considered my previous posts, you would know I agree streaming is scary =
on a large scale, but unicast streaming is what I reference. Multicast =
streaming is the real solution. Ultimately, a global multicast network =
is the only way to deliver these services to a large market.</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">The trouble with IP multicast is that it doesn't =
exist, in a wide-scale, deployed, inter-provider sense.</DIV><DIV =
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