[94083] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Tue Jan 9 11:31:12 2007
In-Reply-To: <C9A367F8-815C-47D7-B355-4A636D08F4D3@ca.afilias.info>
Cc: Thomas Leavitt <thomas@thomasleavitt.org>, nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:29:32 -0500
To: Joe Abley <jabley@ca.afilias.info>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at certain
times. There is often a back and forth between BitTorrent and NNTP
traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent traffic for this very reason.
Massive increases in this type of traffic would not be looked upon
favorably.
If you considered my previous posts, you would know I agree streaming
is scary on a large scale, but unicast streaming is what I reference.
Multicast streaming is the real solution. Ultimately, a global
multicast network is the only way to deliver these services to a
large market.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
Office: 404-748-6207
Cell: 404-808-4651
Internal Ext: x22007
constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net
On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Joe Abley wrote:
>
>
> On 8-Jan-2007, at 22:26, Gian Constantine wrote:
>
>> My contention is simple. The content providers will not allow P2P
>> video as a legal commercial service anytime in the near future.
>> Furthermore, most ISPs are going to side with the content
>> providers on this one. Therefore, discussing it at this point in
>> time is purely academic, or more so, diversionary.
>
> There are some ISPs in North America who tell me that something
> like 80% of their traffic *today* is BitTorrent. I don't know how
> accurate their numbers are, or whether those ISPs form a
> representative sample, but it certainly seems possible that the
> traffic exists regardless of the legality of the distribution.
>
> If the traffic is real, and growing, the question is neither
> academic nor diversionary.
>
> However, if we close our eyes and accept for a minute that P2P
> video isn't happening, and all growth in video over the Internet
> will be in real-time streaming, then I think the future looks a lot
> more scary. When TSN.CA streamed the World Junior Hockey
> Championship final via Akamai last Friday, there were several ISPs
> in Toronto who saw their transit traffic *double* during the game.
>
>
> Joe
>
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-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Those numbers are reasonably =
accurate for some networks at certain times. There is often a back and =
forth between BitTorrent and NNTP traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent =
traffic for this very reason. Massive increases in this type of traffic =
would not be looked upon favorably.<DIV><BR =
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previous posts, you would know I agree streaming is scary on a large =
scale, but unicast streaming is what I reference. Multicast streaming is =
the real solution. Ultimately, a global multicast network is the only =
way to deliver these services to a large market.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> =
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Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV>Office: =
404-748-6207</DIV><DIV>Cell: 404-808-4651</DIV><DIV>Internal Ext: =
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</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Joe Abley =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On =
8-Jan-2007, at 22:26, Gian Constantine wrote:</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My contention is simple. The =
content providers will not allow P2P video as a legal commercial service =
anytime in the near future. Furthermore, most ISPs are going to side =
with the content providers on this one. Therefore, discussing it at this =
point in time is purely academic, or more so, diversionary.</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">There are some ISPs in North America who tell me =
that something like 80% of their traffic *today* is BitTorrent. I don't =
know how accurate their numbers are, or whether those ISPs form a =
representative sample, but it certainly seems possible that the traffic =
exists regardless of the legality of the distribution.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If the =
traffic is real, and growing, the question is neither academic nor =
diversionary.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">However, if we close our eyes and accept for a =
minute that P2P video isn't happening, and all growth in video over the =
Internet will be in real-time streaming, then I think the future looks a =
lot more scary. When TSN.CA streamed the World Junior Hockey =
Championship final via Akamai last Friday, there were several ISPs in =
Toronto who saw their transit traffic *double* during the =
game.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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