[94078] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Tue Jan 9 07:25:45 2007
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Cc: Bora Akyol <bora@broadcom.com>, nanog@merit.edu
From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:24:37 -0500
To: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
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I am not sure what I was thinking. Mr Bonomi was kind enough to point
out a failed calculation for me. Obviously, a HD file would only be
about 3.7GB for a 90 minute file at 5500kbps. In my haste, I
neglected to convert bits to bytes. My apologies.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
Office: 404-748-6207
Cell: 404-808-4651
Internal Ext: x22007
constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
> There may have been a disconnect on my part, or at least, a failure
> to disclose my position. I am looking at things from a provider
> standpoint, whether as an ISP or a strict video service provider.
>
> I agree with you. From a consumer standpoint, a trickle or off-peak
> download model is the ideal low-impact solution to content
> delivery. And absolutely, a 500GB drive would almost be overkill on
> space for disposable content encoded in H.264. Excellent SD (480i)
> content can be achieved at ~1200 to 1500kbps, resulting in about a
> 1GB file for a 90 minute title. HD is almost out of the question
> for internet download, given good 720p at ~5500kbps, resulting in a
> 30GB file for a 90 minute title.
>
> Service providers wishing to provide this service to their
> customers may see some success where they control the access medium
> (copper loop, coax, FTTH). Offering such a service to customers
> outside of this scope would prove very expensive, and likely, would
> never see a return on the investment without extensive peering
> arrangements. Even then, distribution rights would be very
> difficult to attain without very deep pockets and crippling revenue
> sharing. The studios really dislike the idea of transmission
> outside of a closed network. Don't forget. Even the titles you
> mentioned are still owned by very large companies interested in
> squeezing every possible dime from their assets. They would not be
> cheap to acquire.
>
> Further, torrent-like distribution is a long long way away from
> sign off by the content providers. They see torrents as the number
> one tool of content piracy. This is a major reason I see the
> discussion of tripping upstream usage limits through content
> distribution as moot.
>
> I am with you on the vision of massive content libraries at the
> fingertips of all, but I see many roadblocks in the way. And,
> almost none of them are technical in nature.
>
> Gian Anthony Constantine
> Senior Network Design Engineer
> Earthlink, Inc.
> Office: 404-748-6207
> Cell: 404-808-4651
> Internal Ext: x22007
> constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:
>
>>
>> Please see my comments inline:
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gian Constantine [mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> To: Bora Akyol
>>> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
>>> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
>>> day, continuously?
>>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I would also argue storage and distribution costs are not
>>> asymptotically zero with scale. Well designed SANs are not
>>> cheap. Well designed distribution systems are not cheap.
>>> While price does decrease when scaled upwards, the cost of
>>> such an operation remains hefty, and increases with additions
>>> to the offered content library and a swelling of demand for
>>> this content. I believe the graph becomes neither asymptotic,
>>> nor anywhere near zero.
>>
>> To the end user, there is no cost to downloading videos when they are
>> sleeping.
>> I would argue that other than sports (and some news) events, there is
>> pretty much no content that
>> needs to be real time. What the downloading (possibly 24x7) does
>> is to
>> stress the ISP network to its max since the assumptions of
>> statistical
>> multiplexing
>> goes out the window. Think of a Tivo that downloads content off the
>> Internet
>> 24x7.
>>
>> The user is still paying for only what they pay each month, and
>> this is
>> "network neutrality 2.0" all over again.
>>
>>
>>> You are correct on the long tail nature of music. But music
>>> is not consumed in a similar manner as TV and movies.
>>> Television and movies involve a little more commitment and
>>> attention. Music is more for the moment and the mood. There
>>> is an immediacy with music consumption. Movies and television
>>> require a slight degree more patience from the consumer. The
>>> freshness (debatable :-) ) of new release movies and TV can
>>> often command the required patience from the consumer. Older
>>> content rarely has the same pull.
>>
>> I would argue against your distinction between visual and auditory
>> content.
>> There is a lot of content out there that a lot of people watch and
>> the
>> content
>> is 20-40+ years old. Think Brady Bunch, Bonanza, or archived games
>> from
>> NFL,
>> MLB etc. What about Smurfs (for those of us with kids)?
>>
>> This is only the beginning.
>>
>> If I can get a 500GB box and download MP4 content, that's a lot of
>> essentially free storage.
>>
>> Coming back to NANOG content, I think video (not streamed but
>> multi-path
>> distributed video) is going to bring the networks down not by sheer
>> bandwidth alone but by challenging the assumptions behind the
>> engineering of the network. I don't think you need huge SANs per
>> se to
>> store the content either, since it is multi-source/multi-sink, the
>> reliability is built-in.
>>
>> The SPs like Verizon & ATT moving fiber to the home hoping to get
>> in on
>> the "value add" action are in for an awakening IMHO.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Bora
>> ps. I apologize for the tone of my previous email. That sounded
>> grumpier
>> than I usually am.
>>
>>
>
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thinking. Mr Bonomi was kind enough to point out a failed calculation =
for me. Obviously, a HD file would only be about 3.7GB for a 90 minute =
file at 5500kbps. In my haste, I neglected to convert bits to bytes. My =
apologies.<DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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Constantine</DIV><DIV>Senior Network Design =
Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV>Office: =
404-748-6207</DIV><DIV>Cell: 404-808-4651</DIV><DIV>Internal Ext: =
x22007</DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net">constantinegi@corp.earthl=
ink.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR =
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</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gian Constantine =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite">There may have been a disconnect on my part, or at least, =
a failure to disclose my position. I am looking at things from a =
provider standpoint, whether as an ISP or a strict video service =
provider.<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I agree =
with you. =46rom a consumer standpoint, a trickle or off-peak download =
model is the ideal low-impact solution to content delivery. And =
absolutely, a 500GB drive would almost be overkill on space for =
disposable content encoded in H.264. Excellent SD (480i) content can be =
achieved at ~1200 to 1500kbps, resulting in about a 1GB file for a 90 =
minute title. HD is almost out of the question for internet download, =
given good 720p at ~5500kbps, resulting in a 30GB file for a 90 minute =
title.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Service =
providers wishing to provide this service to their customers may see =
some success where they control the access medium (copper loop, coax, =
FTTH). Offering such a service to customers outside of this scope would =
prove very expensive, and likely, would never see a return on the =
investment without extensive peering arrangements. Even then, =
distribution rights would be very difficult to attain without very deep =
pockets and crippling revenue sharing. The studios really dislike the =
idea of transmission outside of a closed network. Don't forget. Even the =
titles you mentioned are still owned by very large companies interested =
in squeezing every possible dime from their assets. They would not be =
cheap to acquire.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Further, torrent-like =
distribution is a long long way away from sign off by the content =
providers. They see torrents as the number one tool of content piracy. =
This is a major reason I see the discussion of tripping upstream usage =
limits through content distribution as moot.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am with you on the vision =
of massive content libraries at the fingertips of all, but I see many =
roadblocks in the way. And, almost none of them are technical in =
nature.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Gian Anthony =
Constantine</DIV><DIV>Senior Network Design =
Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><DIV>Office: =
404-748-6207</DIV><DIV>Cell: 404-808-4651</DIV><DIV>Internal Ext: =
x22007</DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net">constantinegi@corp.earthl=
ink.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> =
</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Bora Akyol =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Please see my comments inline:</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original =
Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: Gian Constantine [<A =
href=3D"mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net">mailto:constantinegi@corp=
.earthlink.net</A>]<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: =
Monday, January 08, 2007 4:27 PM</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: Bora =
Akyol</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: <A =
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
gigabytes a<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">day, continuously?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
"><snip></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I would also =
argue storage and distribution costs are not<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">asymptotically zero with scale. Well designed SANs are not<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">cheap. =
Well designed distribution systems are not cheap.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">While =
price does decrease when scaled upwards, the cost of<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">such an =
operation remains hefty, and increases with additions<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to the =
offered content library and a swelling of demand for<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">this =
content. I believe the graph becomes neither asymptotic,<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">nor =
anywhere near zero.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To the end user, there is no =
cost to downloading videos when they are</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">sleeping.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I would argue that other than =
sports (and some news) events, there is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">pretty =
much no content that</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">needs to be real time. What =
the downloading (possibly 24x7) does is to<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stress =
the ISP network to its max since the assumptions of =
statistical</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">multiplexing</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">goes out the window. Think of a Tivo that downloads =
content off the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Internet</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">24x7.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The user is =
still paying for only what they pay each month, and this is</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">"network neutrality 2.0" all over again.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">You are correct on the long tail nature of music. =
But music<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is not consumed in a similar manner as TV and =
movies.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Television and movies involve a little more =
commitment and<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">attention. Music is more for the moment and the =
mood. There<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is an immediacy with music consumption. Movies and =
television<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">require a slight degree more patience from the =
consumer. The<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">freshness (debatable :-) ) of new release movies and =
TV can<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">often command the required patience from the =
consumer. Older<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">content rarely has the same pull.</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I would argue against your distinction between =
visual and auditory</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">content.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">There is a lot of content out there that a lot of =
people watch and the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">content</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">is 20-40+ years old. Think Brady Bunch, Bonanza, or =
archived games from</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NFL,</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">MLB etc. What about Smurfs (for those of us with =
kids)?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">This is only the beginning.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If I can =
get a 500GB box and download MP4 content, that's a lot of</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">essentially free storage.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Coming =
back to NANOG content, I think video (not streamed but =
multi-path</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">distributed video) is going to =
bring the networks down not by sheer</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">bandwidth =
alone but by challenging the assumptions behind the</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">engineering of the network. I don't think you need =
huge SANs per se to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">store the content either, =
since it is multi-source/multi-sink, the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">reliability is built-in.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The SPs like Verizon & ATT =
moving fiber to the home hoping to get in on</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">the "value add" action are in for an awakening =
IMHO.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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