[94045] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marshall Eubanks)
Sun Jan 7 12:47:23 2007
In-Reply-To: <B006E533-338B-4511-9AA1-23A874A675DA@corp.earthlink.net>
Cc: Thomas Leavitt <thomas@thomasleavitt.org>, nanog@merit.edu
From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:45:06 -0500
To: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Dear Gian;
On Jan 7, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Gian Constantine wrote:
> You know, when it's all said and done, streaming video may be the =20
> motivator for migrating the large scale Internet to IPv6. I do not =20
> see unicast streaming as a long term solution for video service. In =20=
> the short term, unicast streaming and PushVoD models may prevail, =20
> but the ultimate solution is Internet-wide multicasting.
>
> I want my m6bone. :-)
>
Well, help make it possible. Join the MboneD WG list. Help us =20
recharter. Come to Prague, even, if you can.
BTW, have you taken the multicast survey :
http://www.multicasttech.com/survey/MBoneD_Survey_v_1_5.txt
http://www.multicasttech.com/survey/MBoneD_Survey_v_1_5.pdf ?
Regards
Marshall
> Gian Anthony Constantine
> Senior Network Design Engineer
> Earthlink, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:
>
>> If this application takes off, I have to presume that everyone's =20
>> baseline network usage metrics can be tossed out the window...
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> From: David Farber <dave@farber.net>
>> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping =20
>> ISP...
>> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:11:46 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: "D.H. van der Woude" <dirkvanderwoude@gmail.com>
>> Date: January 5, 2007 11:06:31 AM EST
>> To: dave@farber.net
>> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping =20
>> ISP...
>>
>>
>> I am one of Venice' beta testers. Works like a charm,
>> admittedly with a 20/1 Mbs ADSL2+ connection and
>> a unlimited use ISP.
>>
>> Even at sub-DVD quality the data use is staggering...
>>
>> Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions
>> http://www.out-law.com/page-7604
>> OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007
>>
>> Internet television system The Venice Project could break users' =20
>> monthly internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team =20
>> behind it.
>>
>> It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers, =20
>> meaning that users could reach their monthly download limits in =20
>> hours and that it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.
>>
>> The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus =20
>> Friis and Niklas Zennstr=F6m, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind =20=
>> the revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being =20
>> used by 6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.
>>
>> The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to =20
>> beta testers and the instructions make it very clear what the =20
>> bandwidth requirements are so that users are not caught out.
>>
>> Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on =20
>> their internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a =20=
>> streaming video application, and so uses a relatively high amount =20
>> of bandwidth per hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and =20=
>> 105 Megabytes uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1 =20
>> Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. Also, the application continues to run =20
>> in the background after you close the main window."
>>
>> "For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte =20=
>> or have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to =20
>> always exit the Venice Project client completely when you are =20
>> finished watching it," says the document
>>
>> Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use =20
>> by time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be =20
>> transferred over the connection each month. Though limits are =20
>> 'advisory' and not strict, users who regularly far exceed the =20
>> limits break the terms of their deals.
>>
>> BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, =20
>> for example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be =20
>> reached after 20 hours of viewing.
>>
>> The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being =20
>> used. The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P) =20
>> network, which means that users host and send the programmes to =20
>> other users in an automated system.
>>
>> OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of =20
>> the testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This =20
>> is going to be the one. I've used some of the other software out =20
>> there and it's fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got =20
>> it right," he said. "It looks great, you fire it up and in two =20
>> minutes you're live, you're watching television."
>>
>> The source said that claims being made for the system being "near =20
>> high definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark. =20=
>> "It's not high definition. It's the same as normal television," he =20=
>> said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- "Private where private belongs, public where it's needed, and =20
>> an admission that circumstances alter cases." Robert A. Heinlein, =20
>> 1969
>>
>> --=20
>> Thomas Leavitt - thomas@thomasleavitt.org - 831-295-3917 (cell)
>>
>> *** Independent Systems and Network Consultant, Santa Cruz, CA ***
>>
>> <thomas.vcf>
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