[93659] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Allan Houston)
Mon Dec 11 10:36:59 2006
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:31:02 +0000
From: Allan Houston <ahouston@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c71d36$2ea0fb50$52a911ac@amer.cisco.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Scott Morris wrote:
> So we're saying that a lawsuit is an intelligent method to force someone
> else to correct something that you are simply using to avoid the irritation
> of manually updating things yourself???
>
> That seems to be the epitomy of laziness vs. litigousness.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
> To: Jack Bates
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
>
>
>> Allan Houston wrote:
>>
>>> This probably isn't helped much by sites like completewhois.com
>>> still showing these ranges as bogons..
>>>
>>> http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm
>>>
>>> They've ignored all my attempts to get them to update so far.. sigh..
>>>
>>>
>> They just need someone using the address space to slap them with a
>>
> lawsuit.
>
>
>
>
I've spent a fairly substantial amount of time over the last few weeks
attempting to get ISPs / hosting centers / little Johnny's server in his
mom's basement to debogonise my 77.96.0.0/13 prefix.
I can tell you that I've heard no less than four times from networking
bods that we're still listed as a bogon on completewhois.com, that they
don't think they need to update their filters etc etc.
So while I agree entirely that you shouldn't use these sites for
accurate filters, we have to recognise that in an imperfect world there
are some people who do choose to use them, no matter how silly we feel
it is..
Guess the point I'm making is that chasing down bad bogons is a
frustrating enough task without an alledgedly accurate listing site
posting out of date info.
PS - if anyone has a networking contact at ev1servers.net , please send
me a mail because I'm getting hair loss I can ill afford trying to get
them to remove their bogon filters.
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Scott Morris wrote:
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type="cite">
<pre wrap="">So we're saying that a lawsuit is an intelligent method to force someone
else to correct something that you are simply using to avoid the irritation
of manually updating things yourself???
That seems to be the epitomy of laziness vs. litigousness.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">owner-nanog@merit.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu</a>]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
To: Jack Bates
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</a>
Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Allan Houston wrote:
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<pre wrap="">This probably isn't helped much by sites like completewhois.com
still showing these ranges as bogons..
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm">http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm</a>
They've ignored all my attempts to get them to update so far.. sigh..
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">They just need someone using the address space to slap them with a
</pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!---->lawsuit.
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<br>
I've spent a fairly substantial amount of time over the last few weeks
attempting to get ISPs / hosting centers / little Johnny's server in
his mom's basement to debogonise my 77.96.0.0/13 prefix.<br>
<br>
I can tell you that I've heard no less than four times from networking
bods that we're still listed as a bogon on completewhois.com, that they
don't think they need to update their filters etc etc.<br>
<br>
So while I agree entirely that you shouldn't use these sites for
accurate filters, we have to recognise that in an imperfect world there
are some people who do choose to use them, no matter how silly we feel
it is..<br>
<br>
Guess the point I'm making is that chasing down bad bogons is a
frustrating enough task without an alledgedly accurate listing site
posting out of date info.<br>
<br>
PS - if anyone has a networking contact at ev1servers.net , please send
me a mail because I'm getting hair loss I can ill afford trying to get
them to remove their bogon filters.<br>
<br>
<br>
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