[92522] in North American Network Operators' Group
NANOG Thread
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexander Harrowell)
Sun Sep 24 16:11:57 2006
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:10:52 +0100
From: "Alexander Harrowell" <a.harrowell@gmail.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
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After recent events, may I propose the ultimate NANOG thread..
NANOG User: Message
Richard A Steenbergen: Can we keep this off-topic crap off NANOG?
Gadi Evron: That message is deeply relevant to us all. I can't
understand what your porblme is.
Sean Donelan: Fascinating, User. I suppose ISSUE would be different if
you were running a NETWORK and using ROUTER.
Christopher L. Morrow: I think you have a point, Sean, but can you try
not to engage with this? ISSUE is definitely off topic.
RAS: Only Auntie Jane on a crappy Windows box would have ISSUE anyway.
Donelan/Evron/Morrow in chorus: But Jane is our customer.
RAS/Bill Manning together: Get a clue!
Valdis Kletnieks: NANOG User said:
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We had ISSUE on a DEVICE in our FACILITY back in 2004. Have you got the
DATA?
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Of course all this wouldn't be a problem if STANDARDS BODY had got a
clue and decided to implement PROPOSAL.
NANOG User: *pastes 86 hop tracert, last week's BGP update log and
half the CIDR report*
Valdis/RAS/Evron/Bill/Morrow: Couldn't you have sent that offlist? Get a
clue!
NANOG User: I'm sorry if I offended your refined sensibilities. Who do
you think you are?
Random Lurker desperately seeking status: Bill is right. This is the
Network Operators' list.
RAS: Anyway, PROPOSAL would have been a good idea, but nobody was ever
going to deploy it. We ought to go straight to IPVersionX.
All: IP Version X?? Get a clue!
Valdis: Only someone who thinks we ought to go back to ATM would
support that Bellhead POS. From a network architecture perspective,
it's plain stupid.
Evron: You obviously have no idea of how the botnets would exploit that.
Bill: Gadi, that's off topic.
Morrow: No, it's not.
Third-world ISP operator: Hello, I've got SERIOUS PROBLEM on my
network in POOR COUNTRY and no money. Can anyone advise on how we can
fix it? Thanks
Randy Bush: I can't read your message. It's got capital letters in it.
Anyway, I think we need to get back to some operational content.
Fergie: Hey guys, this looks interesting - <a
href="http://link.to.newsstory">Chinese scientists teach monkey to
write technical manual</a>
Randy Bush: I can't read your message. It's got HTML in it.
Valdis: RFCx says you can have capital letters AND links in your e-mail.
Randy: I don't care.
Evron: Major security alert!
Morrow: Bullshit.
RAS: No, that is on topic.
Donelan: Probably more suited to LIST, but it certainly has
consequences for support costs.
NANOG User: Why does Sean always take RAS's side like this?
Peter Dambier: It's because of the 2004 Olympics that all e-mail has
to be routed to the European Commission so the SS7 signalling can be
screened for correct geopolitical routing. I can see this because my
traceroute is broken!
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User, I think your ISSUE could be resolved by WILDLY IMPRACTICAL
SOLUTION, as long as you use an alternate root server.
Valdis: Peter, you're insane.
Peter Dambier: The psychiatric-industrial complex denounces all
victims of ICANN mind control as "mentally ill"! Resist the empire
now!
NANOG User: Is that on topic for NANOG?
All: That is on topic/That is off topic!
Bill: Well, I think he's got a point about ICANN.
RAS: They're nowhere near as bad as ARIN, though. I only wanted
another /8 and it took me three whole weeks!
All: Swine!
Donelan: ARIN's never been a problem for me.
Another NANOG User: STUPID REMARK about evil state bureaucracies
forcing their eurosexual communism on us. Buy guns!
Evron: So who should assign IPs? AT&T? Get a clue!
Randy Bush: You would say that. Anyway, I think WILDLY IMPRACTICAL
SOLUTION is actually quite a good idea, except for the alternate root
bit. Back at RESEARCH CENTRE in the 1970s, Vint Cerf and I tried
something similar.
Bill: Namedropper!
Moderator@mitre.edu: I think this thread should be moved to NANOG-FUTURES.
RAS: Why isn't there a NANOG-CRAP?
Moderator@mitre.edu: Are you sure there isn't?
Morrow: Anyone else seeing high latency to TELCO in CITY?
Crickets: chirping
Random Lurker, still hoping one of the silverbacks will show him some
love: So, what about IPVersion Y?
All: That's not operational!
*thread peters out in howling clue vacuum*
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<span class="gmail_quote"></span>After recent events, may I propose the ultimate NANOG thread..<br><br>NANOG User: Message<br><br>Richard A Steenbergen: Can we keep this off-topic crap off NANOG?<br><br>Gadi Evron: That message is deeply relevant to us all. I can't
<br>understand what your porblme is.<br><br>Sean Donelan: Fascinating, User. I suppose ISSUE would be different if<br>you were running a NETWORK and using ROUTER.<br><br>Christopher L. Morrow: I think you have a point, Sean, but can you try
<br>not to engage with this? ISSUE is definitely off topic.<br><br>RAS: Only Auntie Jane on a crappy Windows box would have ISSUE anyway.<br><br>Donelan/Evron/Morrow in chorus: But Jane is our customer.<br><br>RAS/Bill Manning together: Get a clue!
<br><br>Valdis Kletnieks: NANOG User said:<br><br><<<<<<<br><<<<<<br><br><<<<<br><br><<<<<br><<<<br><<<<br><br><br><<<br><snip><br><br>
We had ISSUE on a DEVICE in our FACILITY back in 2004. Have you got the DATA?<br>>>>.<br>...<br>.>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>><br><br>Of course all this wouldn't be a problem if STANDARDS BODY had got a
<br>clue and decided to implement PROPOSAL.<br><br>NANOG User: *pastes 86 hop tracert, last week's BGP update log and<br>half the CIDR report*<br><br>Valdis/RAS/Evron/Bill/Morrow: Couldn't you have sent that offlist? Get a clue!
<br><br>NANOG User: I'm sorry if I offended your refined sensibilities. Who do<br>you think you are?<br><br>Random Lurker desperately seeking status: Bill is right. This is the<br>Network Operators' list.<br><br>RAS: Anyway, PROPOSAL would have been a good idea, but nobody was ever
<br>going to deploy it. We ought to go straight to IPVersionX.<br><br>All: IP Version X?? Get a clue!<br><br>Valdis: Only someone who thinks we ought to go back to ATM would<br>support that Bellhead POS. From a network architecture perspective,
<br>it's plain stupid.<br><br>Evron: You obviously have no idea of how the botnets would exploit that.<br><br>Bill: Gadi, that's off topic.<br><br>Morrow: No, it's not.<br><br>Third-world ISP operator: Hello, I've got SERIOUS PROBLEM on my
<br>network in POOR COUNTRY and no money. Can anyone advise on how we can<br>fix it? Thanks<br><br>Randy Bush: I can't read your message. It's got capital letters in it.<br><br>Anyway, I think we need to get back to some operational content.
<br><br>Fergie: Hey guys, this looks interesting - <a<br>href="<a href="http://link.to.newsstory">http://link.to.newsstory</a>">Chinese scientists teach monkey to<br>write technical manual</a><br><br>
Randy Bush: I can't read your message. It's got HTML in it.<br><br>Valdis: RFCx says you can have capital letters AND links in your e-mail.<br><br>Randy: I don't care.<br><br>Evron: Major security alert!<br><br>Morrow: Bullshit.
<br><br>RAS: No, that is on topic.<br><br>Donelan: Probably more suited to LIST, but it certainly has<br>consequences for support costs.<br><br>NANOG User: Why does Sean always take RAS's side like this?<br><br>Peter Dambier: It's because of the 2004 Olympics that all e-mail has
<br>to be routed to the European Commission so the SS7 signalling can be<br>screened for correct geopolitical routing. I can see this because my<br>traceroute is broken!<br><<<br><<<<br><<,<<<br>
<br>,<<<br><<<<br><,<br>User, I think your ISSUE could be resolved by WILDLY IMPRACTICAL<br>SOLUTION, as long as you use an alternate root server.<br><br>Valdis: Peter, you're insane.<br><br>Peter Dambier: The psychiatric-industrial complex denounces all
<br>victims of ICANN mind control as "mentally ill"! Resist the empire<br>now!<br><br>NANOG User: Is that on topic for NANOG?<br><br>All: That is on topic/That is off topic!<br><br>Bill: Well, I think he's got a point about ICANN.
<br><br>RAS: They're nowhere near as bad as ARIN, though. I only wanted<br>another /8 and it took me three whole weeks!<br><br>All: Swine!<br><br>Donelan: ARIN's never been a problem for me.<br><br>Another NANOG User: STUPID REMARK about evil state bureaucracies
<br>forcing their eurosexual communism on us. Buy guns!<br><br>Evron: So who should assign IPs? AT&T? Get a clue!<br><br>Randy Bush: You would say that. Anyway, I think WILDLY IMPRACTICAL<br>SOLUTION is actually quite a good idea, except for the alternate root
<br>bit. Back at RESEARCH CENTRE in the 1970s, Vint Cerf and I tried<br>something similar.<br><br>Bill: Namedropper!<br><br><a href="mailto:Moderator@mitre.edu">Moderator@mitre.edu</a>: I think this thread should be moved to NANOG-FUTURES.
<br><br>RAS: Why isn't there a NANOG-CRAP?<br><br><a href="mailto:Moderator@mitre.edu">Moderator@mitre.edu</a>: Are you sure there isn't?<br><br>Morrow: Anyone else seeing high latency to TELCO in CITY?<br><br>Crickets: chirping
<br><br>Random Lurker, still hoping one of the silverbacks will show him some<br>love: So, what about IPVersion Y?<br><br>All: That's not operational!<br><br>*thread peters out in howling clue vacuum*<br>
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