[92163] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tony Li)
Fri Sep 8 14:03:19 2006
Reply-To: <tony.li@tony.li>
From: "Tony Li" <tli@tropos.com>
To: <andrew2@one.net>, "'joe mcguckin'" <joe@via.net>,
<nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:01:23 -0700
In-Reply-To: <009401c6d36f$551f8f00$1400a8c0@andrew>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6D336.1FB491A0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
3) What's wrong with treating assignments like property and setting up a
market to buy and sell them? There's plenty of precedent for this:
Mineral rights, mining claims, Oil and gas leases, radio spectrum.
If a given commodity is truly scarce, nothing works as good as the free
market in encouraging consumers to conserve and make the best use of it.
I think you're dead-on there, but you forget who you're really trying to
convince. It'll happen eventually but in the meantime the greybeards
who were largely responsible for the Internet as we know it (and who by
and large still wield significant influence if not still stewardship)
will be dragged there kicking and screaming from their
academic/pseudo-Marxist ideals, some of whom seem to still resent the
commercialization of the Internet. It's also hard to see the faults in
the system when you are insulated by your position as member of the
politburo.
The flip side of the coin of course is that if you let the free market
reign on IP's, you may price developing countries right off the Internet
which I don't think anyone sees as a desirable outcome. There's sure to
be a happy middle ground that people smarter than I will figure out, and
maybe it takes a silly lawsuit such as this to kick things off.
Andrew Cruse
Another somewhat important point is that we also need to conserve
routing entries. If you make a market for addresses without regard to
routability, you risk creating a situation where you flood the world
with /32's. No thanks.
Tony
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6D336.1FB491A0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY=20
style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
khtml-line-break: after-white-space">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: =
none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; =
LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px =
0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: =
auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN=20
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: =
none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; =
LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px =
0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: =
auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2">3)=20
What's wrong with treating assignments like property and setting up a =
market=20
to buy and sell them? There's plenty of precedent for this:<SPAN=20
class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D878024117-08092006> </SPAN>Mineral=20
rights, mining claims, Oil and gas leases, radio spectrum. <SPAN=20
class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D878024117-08092006> </SPAN>If a given=20
commodity is truly scarce, nothing works as good as the free market in =
encouraging consumers to conserve and make the best use of it.<SPAN=20
class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think you're dead-on there, but you forget =
who you're=20
really trying to convince. It'll happen eventually but in the =
meantime=20
the greybeards who were largely responsible for the Internet as =
we know=20
it (and who by and large still wield significant influence if not =
still=20
stewardship) will be dragged there kicking and screaming from their=20
academic/pseudo-Marxist ideals, some of whom seem to still resent the=20
commercialization of the Internet. It's also hard to see the =
faults in=20
the system when you are insulated by your position as member of the=20
politburo.</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The flip side of the coin of course is that =
if you let=20
the free market reign on IP's, you may price developing countries =
right off=20
the Internet which I don't think anyone sees as a desirable =
outcome. =20
There's sure to be a happy middle ground that people smarter than I =
will=20
figure out, and maybe it takes a silly lawsuit such as this to kick =
things=20
off.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>Andrew Cruse<SPAN=20
=
class=3D460255817-08092006> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D460255817-08092006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D460255817-08092006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D460255817-08092006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D460255817-08092006>Another =
somewhat=20
important point is that we also need to conserve routing=20
entries. If you make a market for addresses without regard to =
routability,=20
you risk creating a situation where you flood the world with =
/32's. No=20
thanks.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D460255817-08092006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D460255817-08092006>Tony</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D878024117-08092006><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D460255817-08092006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SP=
AN> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6D336.1FB491A0--
