[92139] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gordon Cook)
Fri Sep 8 09:09:02 2006
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From: Gordon Cook <cook@cookreport.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:08:00 -0400
To: tony sarendal <dualcyclone@gmail.com>, NANOG <nanog@merit.edu>
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This is Gary Kremen owner of SEX dot com.
cohen stole sex.com from kremen and kremen sued and got it back - it
looks like he is trying to force arin to give him cohen's IP
assignments sounds like a grudge match - but it is a shame that he
might do arin collateral damage
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On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:36 AM, tony sarendal wrote:
>
> Interesting read.
> http://www.internetgovernance.org/pdf/kremen.pdf#search=%22kremen%
> 20vs%20arin%22
>
>
> I found this little gem in the "The Internet, IP addresses and
> Domain Names" section:
>
> ---
> Recently a new form of Internet addressing has emerged, called
> Classless
> Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR). In this new addressing protocol, a
> CIDR network address
> could look like this: 193.30.250.00/21. The prefix is the address
> of the network, or
> gateway, and the number after the slash indicates the size of the
> network. The higher
> the number, the more host space that is in the network(2).
> ...
> ---
> (2) later contradicts this statement.
>
> Maybe I should sell them some /32's, or why not a few /128's.
> Or maybe I just have too much time on my hands.
>
> /Tony
>
>
> On 08/09/06, Chris Jester <chris_jester@suavemente.net > wrote:
>
>
>
> I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case
> regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way
> IP's are governed and adminstered. Comments on or off list please.
> Anyone have experiences like are said in the lawsuit? I would love
> to know if this is true or not. Anyone with negative ARIN experiences
> that relate to the lawsuit, please let me know, thanks!
>
> For thos interested, you may read this lawsuit here:
> http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:
> 44uxmnEmJVkJ:www.internetgovernance.org/pdf/kremen.pdf+Kremen+Vs
> +ARIN&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
>
> Or google for Kremen VS Arin
>
> Chris Jester
> Suavemente, INC.
> SplitInfinity Networks
> 619-227-8845
>
> AIM: NJesterIII
> ICQ: 64791506
>
>
>
>
> Chris Jester
> Suavemente, INC.
> SplitInfinity Networks
> 619-227-8845
>
> AIM: NJesterIII
> ICQ: 64791506
>
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> --
> Tony Sarendal - tony@polarcap.org
> IP/Unix
> -= The scorpion replied,
> "I couldn't help it, it's my nature" =-
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Sep 8, 2006, at 5:36 AM, tony sarendal wrote:</DIV><BR =
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Interesting read.<BR> <A =
href=3D"http://www.internetgovernance.org/pdf/kremen.pdf#search=3D%22kreme=
n%20vs%20arin%22" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return =
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.internetgovernance.org/p=
df/kremen.pdf#search=3D%22kremen%20vs%20arin%22 </A><BR> <BR> <BR> I =
found this little gem in the "The Internet, IP addresses and Domain =
Names" section:<BR> <BR> ---<BR> Recently a new form of Internet =
addressing has emerged, called Classless<BR> Inter-Domain Routing =
(CIDR).=A0 In this new=A0 addressing protocol, a CIDR network =
address<BR> could look like this: <A href=3D"http://193.30.250.00/21" =
target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return =
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">193.30.250.00/21</A>. The prefix =
is the address of the network, or<BR> gateway, and the number after the =
slash indicates the size of the network. The higher<BR> the number, the =
more host space that is in the network(2).<BR> ...<BR> ---<BR> (2) later =
contradicts this statement.<BR> <BR> Maybe I should sell them some =
/32's, or why not a few /128's.<BR> Or maybe I just have too much time =
on my hands.<BR> <BR> /Tony<BR> <BR> <BR><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On 08/09/06, <B class=3D"gmail_sendername">Chris =
Jester</B> <<A href=3D"mailto:chris_jester@suavemente.net" =
target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return =
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">chris_jester@suavemente.net =
</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <BR><BR><BR>I am looking for anyone who has =
input on possibly the largest case<BR>regarding internet numbering ever. =
This lawsuit may change the way<BR>IP's are governed and adminstered. =
Comments on or off list please.<BR> Anyone have experiences like are =
said in the lawsuit? I would love<BR>to know if this is true or =
not.=A0=A0Anyone with negative ARIN experiences<BR>that relate to the =
lawsuit, please let me know, thanks!<BR><BR>For thos interested, you may =
read this lawsuit here: <BR><A =
href=3D"http://72.14.209.104/search?q=3Dcache:44uxmnEmJVkJ:www.internetgov=
ernance.org/pdf/kremen.pdf+Kremen+Vs+ARIN&hl=3Den&gl=3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1=
" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return =
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> =
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=3Dcache:44uxmnEmJVkJ:www.internetgovernance.=
org/pdf/kremen.pdf+Kremen+Vs+ARIN&hl=3Den&gl=3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&am=
p;cd=3D1 </A><BR><BR>Or google for Kremen VS Arin<BR><BR>Chris =
Jester<BR>Suavemente, INC.<BR>SplitInfinity =
Networks<BR>619-227-8845<BR><BR>AIM: NJesterIII<BR>ICQ: =
64791506<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Chris Jester<BR>Suavemente, =
INC.<BR>SplitInfinity Networks <BR>619-227-8845<BR><BR>AIM: =
NJesterIII<BR>ICQ: 64791506<BR><BR>NOTICE - This e-mail and any files =
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Suavemente, INC.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3D"all"><BR> -- =
<BR>Tony Sarendal - <A href=3D"mailto:tony@polarcap.org" target=3D"_blank"=
onclick=3D"return =
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">tony@polarcap.org</A><BR>IP/Unix<BR=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -=3D The scorpion replied,<BR>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 "I couldn't help it, it's my nature" =3D- =
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