[91642] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: SORBS Contact
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Nicks)
Wed Aug 9 14:40:11 2006
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:39:23 -0500
From: Michael Nicks <mtnicks@kanren.net>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Cc: Brian Boles <vegasnetman@gmail.com>,
Stefan Hegger <Stefan.Hegger@lycos-europe.com>,
"S. Ryan" <auser@mind.net>, nanog@merit.edu,
Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608081410010.21592-100000@citation2.av8.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Don't forget racketeering.
"A person who commits crimes such as extortion, loansharking, bribery,
and obstruction of justice in furtherance of illegal business activities."
I think most network operators have learned about the ultra-liberal
listing activities of RBLs these days.
-Michael
--
Michael Nicks
Network Engineer
KanREN
e: mtnicks@kanren.net
o: +1-785-856-9800 x221
m: +1-913-378-6516
Dean Anderson wrote:
> SORBS is a well-known abusive/defamatory blacklist. In the US, that
> violates a number of state and federal laws:
>
> 1. defamation
> 2. illegal group boycott in violation of antitrust act
> 3. (usually) unauthorized blocking by ISP in violation of its
> contract with its customer, which is a violation of the
> electronic communications privacy act.
> 4. There are frequently state laws that apply to electronic
> communications that are even more broad.
>
> You _can_ make the US based ISP not use SORBS. Most ISPs know better,
> already.
>
> --Dean
>
>
> See also http://www.iadl.org.
>
> --Dean
>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Brian Boles wrote:
>> Can someone from SORBS contact me offlist if they are on here....
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Stefan Hegger wrote:
>> We have the same problem. We are blacklisted and I filled out the webform. I
>> got an email regarding ticket number and account/password to track the
>> ticket. But it seems that nobody is working on it.
>
>>> There has been extensive discussion on NANAE and NANABl newsgroups on
>>> this issue. The bottom line: The SORBS ticket queue is handled by a
>>> group of unpaid volunteers, and there is quite a backlog.
>>>
>>> That's why there is the automatic de-listing system in place, which
>>> requires proper host names and longer time-to-live (TTL) values in
>>> rDNS.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a bit of work, but it beats waiting for someone to get around
>>> to your ticket.
>>>
>>> No, I'm not associated in any way with SORBS, just an interested
>>> observer and system administrator who has had to deal with listings myself.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Michael Nicks wrote:
>> Sad state of affairs when looney people dictate which IPs are "good" and
>> "bad".
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, S. Ryan wrote:
>
>> Even worse if your ISP uses it and demands you ask the 'offender' to get
>> 'themselves' removed.
>
>
