[91563] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: traffic from DE to DE goes via NL->UK->US->FR
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Carlos Friacas)
Fri Aug 4 09:58:15 2006
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:57:48 +0100 (WEST)
From: Carlos Friacas <cfriacas@fccn.pt>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: Andrius Kazimieras =?utf-8?Q?Kasparavi=C4=8Dius?= <andrius@andrius.org>,
nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0608041538280.7520@uplift.swm.pp.se>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Andrius Kazimieras Kasparavi?ius wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if it is normal for traffic from DE to DE to flow through
>> NL->UK->US->FR and so increase delay nearly 100 times? Traceroute here:
>> http://pastebin.ca/115200 and there is only 4 AS, so ASPATH does not help a
>> lot in finding such links with a horrifying optimisation. I believe there
>> is much worse links, any software to detect this? Something like scanning
>> one ip from larger IP blocks with icmp and comparing geotrajectoyi via
>> geoip?
>
> You should direct the question to whereever you are a customer.
>
> These things usually happen when one party doesn't want to peer with another
> party and the one that wants to peer, will route traffic really far away to
> make sure that both parties are paying for the traffic, thus increasing the
> motivation for the other party to change their mind regarding peering.
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
...unfortunate series of circumstances... ;-)
but the bottom line is that the economics of it (almost always) comes on
top of customer's benefit.
i have the same problem in my city, to reach some (few) networks,
since some years now.
...but i guess in central europe (or in the central european internet -
london/amsterdam/frankfurt/paris) you don't see that often... ;-)
best regards,
./Carlos Skype: cf916183694
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