[91518] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: APC Matrix 5000 question(s) (please, lets end this)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (joe mcguckin)
Wed Aug 2 21:00:19 2006
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Cc: nanog@merit.edu
From: joe mcguckin <joe@via.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:29 -0700
To: up@3.am
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Can't you guys take this off-list? I'm seeing this thread gatewayed
on *another* mailing list also.
Somehow, APC battery maintenance doesn't seem like a critical topic
(unlike for example, internet pipe cleaning day) ^)
Joe McGuckin
ViaNet Communications
joe@via.net
650-207-0372 cell
650-213-1302 office
650-969-2124 fax
On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:34 AM, up@3.am wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote:
>
>>
>> up@3.am wrote:
>>> Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of
>>> the old
>>> ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a
>>> couple of
>>> their "sealed" tops.
>>>
>>> I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like
>>> burning
>>> rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal
>>> rubber
>>> insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug
>>> that pack
>>> (the only one with new batteries!)
>>>
>>> Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad
>>> batteries"
>>> again)
>>>
>> Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or
>> none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS.
>
> Understood...that's why I unplugged the other 2 XR packs from the UPS.
> APC rejected the notion that there was a controller problem, until
> they
> had me perform the battery test, when it not only cut power (batteries
> were fried anyway), it stayed in test mode until bypassed.
> According to
> them, even with dead batteries, it should come out within 5-10
> seconds.
>
> James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
> up@3.am http://3.am
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burning</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack</DIV><DIV =
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