[90467] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Black Frog - the botnets keep coming
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gadi Evron)
Thu May 25 21:43:39 2006
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:43:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh@sbcglobal.net>,
Eric Whitehill <eric@botbay.net>,
Niels Bakker <niels=nanog@bakker.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <200605251533.k4PFXTrJ003505@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Thu, 25 May 2006 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17:56 CDT, Gadi Evron said:
>
> > I'm just happy there are communities such as NANOG out there, but when it
> > comes down to it, the Good online is based on good faith. The Bad is based
> > on cold Cash. Some lose as much as a million dollars a day on phishing, as
> > an example.
>
> Citation on the $1M/day, please? (I'm sure the *aggregate* take is well
> over that, but what *single entity* is seeing that magnitude losses?)
You can quote me.
Phishing in the US is by far lkess sophisticated than, for example, in
Europe. There the banks are a bit more sophisticated as well in defensive
tech.
I hate for this to be a quote by me, but Super Worms which steal credit
card, account data, login info. etc. for banks, credit card companies and
ecommerce sites online number at the millions a day. Including repeat
customers.
As to signle banks, forget my numbers for a second, I am willing to accept
yours for the sake of argument (we can argue digits over the phone). A
million in losses a day is enough.
Gadi.
