[89237] in North American Network Operators' Group
Time for IPv10? (was Re: Time for IPv8?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roland Dobbins)
Sun Mar 5 22:51:30 2006
In-Reply-To: <86B89662-FD68-47E1-BCFE-2C3832E1380D@cisco.com>
From: Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:50:56 -0800
To: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
[ It's been pointed out that, due to various historical reasons, IPv8
might not be the best choice of version-number to use in this
context. So, IPv10 can serve for purposes of discussion, in its
stead. ]
On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> Far from it, but, there are lessons to be
>> learned that are applicable to the internet, and, separating the
>> end system identifier from the routing function is one we still seem
>> determined to avoid for reasons passing my understanding.
>
> And this is the real answer, of course.
>
> There were two fundamental design decisions made back in the Olden
> Days which continue to exert a strong and in many cases quite
> negative sway over this entire set of inter-related issues:
>
> 1. Utilizing the endpoint identifier in the routing function, as
> Vince Fuller and you (among others) have stated, and
>
> 2. The ships-in-the-night nature of the TCP/IP protocol stack.
> This latter design decision is a big part of the reason TCP/IP
> has been so successful to date; however, we find more and
> more kludgey, brittle hacks to try and provide some sort
> of linkages for purposes of enforcing policy, etc. The
> irony is that these attempts largely stem from the unforeseen
> side-effects of #1, and also contribute to a reinforcing
> feedback loop which further locks us into #1.
>
> Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of
> these two design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold
> amounts of capex and opex being spent in frustratingly
> nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to consider declaring the
> 'Limited-Deployment IPv6 Proof-of-Concept Experiment' to be a
> success, take the lessons learned (there are a lot more unresolved
> and potentially problematic issues than those mentioned in this
> thread) into account and get started on IPv8.
>
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> Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
>
> Everything has been said. But nobody listens.
>
> -- Roger Shattuck
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Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
Everything has been said. But nobody listens.
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