[89152] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marshall Eubanks)
Fri Mar 3 15:37:33 2006
In-Reply-To: <92654442-48CB-48C2-802C-9C05A189AD63@kurtis.pp.se>
Cc: Kevin Day <toasty@dragondata.com>, Joe Abley <jabley@isc.org>,
NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:37:11 -0500
To: Kurt Erik Lindqvist <kurtis@kurtis.pp.se>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Mar 3, 2006, at 5:55 AM, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
>
>
> On 2 mar 2006, at 06.16, Kevin Day wrote:
>
>> No, I'm just trying to be practical here... Estimates of IPv4 pool
>> exhaustion range from Mid 2008 (Tony Hain's ARIN presentation) to
>> roughly 2012 (Geoff Huston's ARIN presentation). Sooner if a mad
>> dash for space starts happening (or isn't happening already).
>>
>> Does anyone here really believe that there is time for:
>
> So what I think we might need (that I wrote in an internet-draft
> some years ago) is the following things in exactly this order :
>
> 0. PI space with an artifically high barrier on entry yet available
> when needed (read cost+administration=LIR or equiv.).
> 1. Ducttape ala shim6
> 2. One of breakthrough in graph-theory or a completely new
> addressing/routing paradigm. Most like the latter.
>
I will bet anyone reading this $ 20 USD right now that what will
actually happen is
the development of a spot market in IPv4 address space.
Regards
Marshall
> That will take us past IPv4 exhaustion+IPv6 initial deployment,
> through wider uptake through to the 10-15 years from now when we
> might have an idea of what 2 is. I used to believe that it would
> take 10 years to deploy a standardised version of a stack change, I
> must say I changing my mind and I am starting to agree with however
> said that we just need to wait for the next <insert favourite OS>
> major security hole+patch.
>
> - kurtis -
>
