[89082] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Barak)
Thu Mar 2 07:57:12 2006
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 04:56:44 -0800 (PST)
From: David Barak <thegameiam@yahoo.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <OF343AD7D4.D4FC041D-ON80257125.0036634C-80257125.00379E66@btradianz.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
--- Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
> > Resounding YES - I specifically DON'T want
> end-hosts
> > to be able to make these decisions, but need to be
> > able to multihome.
>
> When I see comments like this I wonder whether
> people
> understand what shim6 is all about. First of all,
> these
> aren't YOUR hosts. They belong to somebody else. If
> you
> are an access provider then these hosts belong to a
> customer
> that is paying you to carry packets. This customer
> also
> pays another ISP for the same service and the hosts
> are making decisions about whether to use your
> service
> or your competitors.
>
> If you are a hosting provider, then these hosts,
> owned
> by a third party, are making decisions about whether
> to
> send you packets through one or another AS.
>
> Is there something inherently wrong with independent
> organizations deciding where to send their packets?
That's not the case I'm discussing - I'm talking about
the multihomed enterprise. From an access provider
point of view, Shim6 is no worse/better than the
various TE-fu devices which end customers use - it
makes predicting load a bit more difficult, but it's
just bits to be passed. From an enterprise POV I want
two or three decision points which I need to monitor
and manage, not 10,000.
> P.S. I don't believe that shim6 will ever succeed.
Neither do I.
David Barak
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