[87326] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Two Tiered Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com)
Wed Dec 14 13:11:49 2005
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:11:21 +0000
From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
To: Bob Snyder <rsnyder@toontown.erial.nj.us>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <43A05D73.2000402@toontown.erial.nj.us>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:59:15AM -0800, Bob Snyder wrote:
>
> Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
>
> >Since QoS works by degrading the quality of service
> >for some streams of packets in a congestion scenario
> >and since congestion scenarios are most common on
> >end customer links, it makes sense to let the end
> >customers fiddle with the QoS settings in both
> >directions on their link.
> >
> >
> >
> So where would the payback be for this for the last-mile provider?
> Compared to the pain of setting this up and supporting it, what
> percentage of customers would actually use something like this? Just
> trying to educate users on this would be quite challenging. "Well, sir,
> the service allows you to select which of your traffic is important and
> should get priority..." "But all my traffic is important!"
>
> It gets more fun when the medium you use to get to the end customer is a
> shared medium, with some normal amount of oversubscription.
>
> Bob
since Internet is "best-effort" ... any overt attempt
to reduce this best effort service to explictly degraded
service (perhaps due to intentional overprovisioning, causing
degraded service) ... -is NOT the Internet- ... its some
propriatary, substandard networking technology to get me
to the Internet. So i suspect that marketing folks be very
clear on what is being sold.
--bill
