[86977] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: What do we mean when we say 'competition?'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Coluccio)
Sat Nov 26 23:36:10 2005
From: Frank Coluccio <frank@dticonsulting.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
Reply-To: frank@dticonsulting.com
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:26:13 -0600
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
In some areas VZ will leave the copper in place if you simply ask, and in s=
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places you must forcefully "insist." =0D
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I'm aware of a case in the Tampa area where a subscriber had to "insist." W=
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he did wind up keeping his POTS lines intact, while adding a second feed in=
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way of fiber for Internet access (and video, if it ever gets/got there?), a=
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he advised me that this involves maintaining two accounts with Verizon. And=
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naturally, this means two monthly bills, as well. One bill will be for the =
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service(s), which is(are) the Internet and TV service being offered by=0D
Verizon.net, and the other account (the subscriber's original account) for =
POTS. =0D
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If you suspect that the telco in doing this is merely trying to keep its bu=
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functions separated along the lines of switched circuit vs. IP, and for all=
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the regulatory reasons having to do with positioning that that implies, the=
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you'd be 100% correct.=0D
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> In (at least) the Long Island, NY market, Verizon FTTH/FIOS installers=0D
> physically cut and decommission the copper upon fiber install.=0D
> Bye-bye DSL competition. Since they won't bring back the copper=0D
> even you don't like the FIOS service, it's permanent. ISTR that=0D
> the fiber doesn't carry the same restrictions on Verizon as copper=0D
> did, which is a big incentive (for them) to roll out FIOS that way.=0D
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My understanding is that there is a fairly small number of pots=0D
circuits (2?) that they can bring in over the B-PON, and that moreover=0D
ISDN BRI and hicap (eg. repeatered or HDSL DS1 service) are entirely=0D
incompatible.=0D
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In Virginia, there's anecdotal evidence that suggests that they'll=0D
leave the copper upon request, and won't even try to remove it if you=0D
still need it for service.=0D
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Guess you know what to do. :)=0D
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