[86718] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Bush)
Tue Nov 15 11:27:26 2005
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:26:57 -0800
To: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
>>> It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks.
>> because they want to sell their equipment and software to the
>> operators?
> yes, including improving (in various ways) their existing equipment
> and software to make the customer happier.
somehow, the vendors hear from their customers. the problem is
that isp operators are a small portion of the market. so having
enterprise, r&e, gummint, ... at nanog is good as it impacts a
larger target area in the vendors.
when we all agree and mount max pressure, we maybe have a 50%
success ratio.
>>> Ops folks need to participate in the IETF.
>> because they want to sell what? clue? seems unmarketable.
> So that they can affect the protocols that are going to be
> implemented at a stage where they can still be modified to suit
> their needs, scenarios, requirements, etc.
and what success ratio have we had with this? 10%? look at the
poster child for operator success at the ietf, ipv6. it took seven
years to get rid of tla/nla etc. it took eight+ to get rid of
site-local, yet it keeps rearing its head. and we still don't have
squat for routing.
randy
