[86663] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Pekka Savola)
Sun Nov 13 13:36:10 2005
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:35:24 +0200 (EET)
From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>, nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <17269.2963.865655.207560@roam.psg.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
> i suggest, as opposed to the forever chant "operators should
> come to ivtf and participate," that more ivtf folk should come
> to operational fora and try to participate. with the ivtf's
> move to mediocrity and complexity, it is no longer the center
> of the universe. and come as equals, not as the enlightened
> slumming. we're all just bozos on this bus.
What exactly is there [for vendors] to participate in at operational
fora?
That is, except for getting general clue on what's going on -- and
putting a pinch of salt as the view one sees may not necessarily be
representative.
It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks. Ops
folks need to participate in the IETF. Yeah, it's often quite
frustrating, especially when the vendors have already "packed the
rooms" and most ops who came around {don't want to, cant'} spend
energy fighting that.
--
Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
