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RE: cogent+ Level(3) are ok now

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Drew Weaver)
Fri Nov 4 09:57:06 2005

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:00:44 -0500
From: "Drew Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com>
To: <erik@we-dare.net>, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Cc: "John Payne" <john@sackheads.org>,
	"Patrick W.Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Erik Haagsman
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:40 PM
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: John Payne; Patrick W.Gilmore; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: cogent+ Level(3) are ok now


On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 18:48 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:46:20 EST, John Payne said:

> > What am I missing?=20
>=20
> Obviously, the same thing that management at SBC is missing:

<snip>

> He argued that because SBC and others have invested to build
high-speed
> networks, they are due a return.
>=20
> "There's going to have to be some mechanism for these people ... to
pay for the
> portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" He
offered
> no details how his idea could be accomplished.
>=20
> For an Internet company to "expect to use these pipes free is nuts!"
Whitacre
> added for good measure.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quothed <-----------

	Well, the other funny thing is that SBC doesn't just spend its
own money to build these networks. They get all sorts of help from
gov't, etc with taxes and multiple other breaks.

I think that was the original complaint.

-Drew


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