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Re: cogent+ Level(3) are ok now

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Erik Haagsman)
Wed Nov 2 14:40:58 2005

From: Erik Haagsman <erik@we-dare.net>
Reply-To: erik@we-dare.net
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: John Payne <john@sackheads.org>,
	"Patrick W.Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <200511012348.jA1NmDZ8005231@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:40:08 +0100
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu


On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 18:48 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:46:20 EST, John Payne said:

> > What am I missing? 
> 
> Obviously, the same thing that management at SBC is missing:

<snip>

> He argued that because SBC and others have invested to build high-speed
> networks, they are due a return.
> 
> "There's going to have to be some mechanism for these people ... to pay for the
> portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?" He offered
> no details how his idea could be accomplished.
> 
> For an Internet company to "expect to use these pipes free is nuts!" Whitacre
> added for good measure.

</snip>

Sounds like an extremely short-sighted view of the Net and it's
economics. Claiming content providers should be charged for "using"
broadband access-pipes is fine and dandy, but coveniently forgetting
that without content there probably wouldn't be a great deal of
customers wanting broadband in the first place is a bit sloppy, no?

Erik


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