[85372] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Level 3's side of the story
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jon Lewis)
Sat Oct 8 00:49:04 2005
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <FCD26398C5EDE746BFC47F43EA52A173013BDD41@dino.ad.hostasaurus.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, David Hubbard wrote:
>> I don't remember seeing this public notice from Level(3) posted....
>> Wouldn't that be "without notice from Level(3)"?
>
> They notified Cogent, not the public. Cogent chose to
I think it's also interesting, that AFAIK, Level3 didn't give their own
customers any advance notice. We're a customer. I saw nothing about this
until it hit nanog. We're multi homed, so the impact on us was unnoticed.
Suppose you're a single homed L3 or Cogent customer doing regular business
with a single homed Cogent or L3 customer. If your provider gave you
several weeks notice, and if you realized the coming problem, you might
take some steps to work around the issue, depending on how important your
internet communications are. Do the typical peering NDAs forbid giving
customers this sort of notice? Is it better to surprise them with a
multi-day outage and then give them 30 days notice that it's going to
happen again??
>> Splendid, that gives the world sufficient time to accept
>> Cogent's offer of 1 year free service.
>
> This is not the first time Cogent has used their customers
> as pawns in peering disputes, I don't know if I'd jump on
> the bandwagon so quickly (spoken as a customer of both
> companies).
If you're multihomed and using Cogent as a cheap bandwidth whore, does it
matter if their cheap bandwidth gives you 155k routes instead of 168k
routes? After all, if its cheap and off-loads enough traffic from your
more expensive 168k route circuits, isn't it doing what you bought it for?
Also, is 30 days really enough time for anyone to get a free connection to
Cogent? I mean if you're in a building they're already in, and its just a
cross connect, sure that can be done quickly...but at least around here,
getting any sort of high bandwidth circuit (>T1) can take months. IIRC,
the UNE DS3 connecting our office to the rest of our network was several
months late.
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