[83242] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Fiber cut in SJ
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Mon Aug 8 06:19:23 2005
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:17:30 +0100 (BST)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
To: Joe McGuckin <joe@via.net>
Cc: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>,
"Wayne E. Bouchard" <web@typo.org>, NANOG <nanog@merit.edu>,
<gherbert@kw.retro.com>
In-Reply-To: <BF1BF4A3.9C5F2%joe@via.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Maybe a market difference.. most maps I've obtained in the UK have been under
NDA with established relationships already. Altho I suspect they're more
concerned at showing me who's duct and fiber they're actually on..
Steve
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Joe McGuckin wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> The point I'm trying to make is that over classifying everything as 'secret'
> or 'confidential' at this late date is useless. The horse is already out of
> the barn.
>
> You can omit the site of a fiber backhoe accident from an email and say it's
> due to security concerns, but I can call any telecom vendor who sells SONET
> or metro ethernet services and get them to fax me a map of their network. At
> the very minimum all I have to do is keep an eye out for USA markings on the
> street. Or I could call USA and the next day people with paint cans would be
> marking up the street, showing me exactly where to dig.
>
> If someone wants to cause trouble, the information they need is freely
> available. The so-called security provisions most telecom companies use are
> just enough to deter curious teen-agers.
>
> On 8/7/05 8:15 AM, "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Joe McGuckin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 8/5/05 8:12 PM, "George William Herbert" <gherbert@retro.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> First, an electrical contractor backhoed a large fiber
> >>> link in downtown San Jose (address deleted due to security
> >>> concerns) this morning, causing moderate damage.
> >>
> >> That's just plain silly. As if we (or even your imagined 'terrorist') don't
> >> know where the fiber runs around here.
> >
> > well.. theres lots of ducting going down streets but not that many folks know
> > which of them are the major cable routes, i think keeping specific detail
> > discrete is reasonable
> >
> > in a fire near where i am a couple years ago:
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/23/arson_suspected_in_manchester_cable/
> >
> > it seemed a bit of a coincidence that both the active and protect paths of a
> > major sdh route got hit in this attack and it took out a lot of long distance
> > circuits
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
>
