[82516] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Jul 20 16:43:51 2005
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:43:11 -0700
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: Shane Owens <shaneowens@dna-communications.com>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <D5D788EA7F4B41F4850F3EAE15CF7E84.MAI@dialdna.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Forget defeat, just look at the normal margin of error...
Forget fixed-line services, location is easy to solve for that. Let's look
at
things like a guy sitting on a mountain top with a BBQ grill antenna, and
amp,
and a WiFi card. I could make VOIP calls from Apple's public Wireless
network
from 25 miles away on top of Loma Prietta if I wanted to. (In fact, I did
once,
just to test it). If someone put a wireless bridge up there, then, I could
make
the same call from downtown Monterey. The first IP device would still be in
Cupertino. I'd be in a different county (at least 2 counties away), in a
different LATA, and, in completely different CHP dispatch zones. Even CDF
would expect me to be talking to a different dispatch center.
Doing this right is not only hard, but, it's also just not that desirable in
my opinion. It's a huge invasion of privacy as far as I'm concerned.
Owen
--On July 20, 2005 3:19:41 PM -0500 Shane Owens
<shaneowens@dna-communications.com> wrote:
>
> Why not standardize this across the board for all access devices? As an
> example if my Broadband provider was required to enter location
> information in my cable modem so that when I connected a VOIP device
> (ATA, IAD, PC, etc) it would query the first IP device it encountered and
> gather location data that would solve a lot of these problems. Any
> solution can be circumvented so no solution will be perfect, but this
> idea seems easy enough to accomplish with existing technology. It would
> even fix the VPN connection issue, unless the user was purposefully
> trying to obfuscate himself in which case I don't think we are
> necessarily concerned about his ability to contact emergency services.
>
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:22 AM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service
>
>
> <snip>
> Maybe we should lobby government to require Wi-Fi access point
> manufacturers to include location information in their devices. After
> that, the VoIP operators and the Wi-Fi access operators should be able to
> sort out some protocol for sharing the location info.
>
> Welcome to the 21st century! They never said it was going to be easy.
>
> --Michael Dillon
>
>
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