[80773] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matt Bazan)
Wed May 11 18:04:05 2005
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:02:29 -0700
From: "Matt Bazan" <Mbazan@onelegal.com>
To: <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest trends and needs. there will be no use
for the small time 'innovator' or 'player' except in a purely academic
environment.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On=20
> Behalf Of Mark D. Bodley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be=20
> doing in a few years?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a=20
> determined outcome. In my opinion resellers are in the long=20
> run going to lose because of lack of tangible assets (there=20
> is my Bias, on the table. I have my own facilities, and=20
> equipment). However because pure resellers lack the=20
> facilities they can be resellers(and often are) of whatever=20
> the technology of the day is. Strangely, many resellers, grow=20
> into facilities based carriers, but if they do not, then they=20
> can always move to the next thing. If you sold ISDN, in the=20
> 90's, and you knew how to walk someone through configuring=20
> their pipeline, you were better than Bell (read PSI Net). If=20
> you could accurately test, and deliver DSL, to a client 3-5=20
> years ago, (read COVAD) you were better than Bell. In the=20
> future, who knows what it will be, (my bet is wireless, and=20
> we all cook like chickens in a Showtime rotisserie) the=20
> prevailing trait of those that have been in this for a long=20
> time is adaptation. There was a day when selling access off=20
> an ISDN connection was doable. I got out of the straight=20
> access market in the late 90's. I provide, and resell=20
> connectivity, with static routes to applications I host, or=20
> maintain. Hopefully the straight resellers of today will be=20
> selling microwave, or implant connectivity, or whatever in a=20
> few years. Bottom-line public or not, Mom, and Pop, or not no=20
> matter what you do in this business you have to be ready to=20
> adapt. If you are huge and don't catch the next wave you=20
> could be just as dead as the smaller guys that don't catch that next
> wave. =20
>=20
>=20
> Mark D. Bodley
> President
> Cyrix Systems
> m@cyrixsys.com
> www.cyrixsys.com
> =20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On=20
> Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:12 PM
> To: Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be=20
> doing in a few years?
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
>=20
> > why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
> > reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for=20
> $25? think=20
> > you dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of=20
> > time before most of you isps are down the toilet. im=20
> reminded of the=20
> > mom and pop grocery store phenomenon that has now been=20
> replaced by the=20
> > kohls, a&p, whole foods etc. of course there will always be niche=20
> > markets but this is less applicable for a pure commodity like=20
> > bandwidth. yeah, i suppose you'll say something about value added=20
> > services and such and you may have a point but i doubt that=20
> will keep the
> ship afloat for long.
>=20
> Matt,
> first whats your affiliation and experience in this arena? That these
> markets exist and more profitably so than the large carriers=20
> suggest the
> problems you are raising dont exist.
>=20
> What is your theory based on, you only cite your personal=20
> preference to buy
> from Comcast which cannot be said to be indicative of the=20
> market. Grocery
> stores are not comparable, this is a different industry and different
> market. Also bandwidth is not a pure commodity, and DSL is not pure
> bandwidth.
>=20
> I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst=20
> non-existent.. you
> need to provide some references, examples, figures,=20
> whatever.. else this is
> little more than trolling.
>=20
> Steve
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
