[80324] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Apr 28 17:59:12 2005
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:58:37 -0700
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: James Baldwin <jbaldwin@antinode.net>,
Pakojo Samm <pj@otherlands.net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <fc0ebc04c1319b6e01b8c0cb6a8c8acb@antinode.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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> On 28 Apr 2005, at 00:55, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> Who are you to decide that there is no damage to blocking residential
>> customers?
>
> The customer makes the decision when they subscribe to a service whether
> or not filtered service will meet their needs. Who are you to decide that
> unfiltered service is required to meet the needs of all customers?
>
I never said they did. I simply said ISPs shouldn't decide this for their
customers, as some do.
>> Why should an ISP decide what a residential
>> customer can or can't do with their internet connection.
>
> The service provider should be able to decide what services they wish to
> offer. If a provider of any service chooses to differentiate services
> based on utility and the customer is made aware of these characteristics,
> how is this in anyway unfair? If your objection is that, in single
> provider markets, it may not be financially viable to obtain your desire
> service level i.e. the local cable provider does not offer unfiltered
> connectivity and there are no other residential high bandwidth options
> available then I suggest you encourage diversity in the market place.
>
I do encourage diversity in the market place. However, that doesn't
necessarily change the current reality.
> You are not entitled to unfiltered internet connectivity. If you want to
> be entitled to unfiltered internet connectivity then petition your local
> government to make transit a privatized utility with all the government
> oversight and bureaucracy that entails.
In some locations, that is becoming the case. I'm not sure that's
necessarily
such a bad idea. I'd rather encourage providers to do the right thing
without
the extra overhead, however.
Owen
> ---
> James Baldwin
> hkp://pgp.mit.edu/jbaldwin@antinode.net
> "Syntatic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon."
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