[80208] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Apr 27 06:13:41 2005
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 03:13:01 -0700
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
Cc: "Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg@netzero.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20050427063654.GA8106@vacation.karoshi.com.>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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--On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:36 +0000 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com=20
wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:38:00PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I think it's absurd. I expect my water delivery company not to add
>> polutants in transit. I expect my water production company to provide
>> clean water.
>
> er.. bad analogy warning... please take a sample of tap water to
> an independent lab for analysis... and find out just what the
> water company is putting into your water.
>
Admittedly, there are contaminants in the water, but, I don't believe
most of them are added in transit. (If I did, I'd be putting pressure
on to get that fixed). If you're talking about fluoridation, I am
fortunate enough to live in an area where they figured out that was a
bad idea.
>> This is like asking the phone company to prevent minors from hearing
>> swear-words on telephone calls or prevent people from being able to make
>> prank phone calls from pay-phones.
>>
>
> more bad analogies... :)
>
Why is this a bad analogy? Neither of these actions are currently =
prevented
by the telcos.
> that said, if you don't want your ISP to diddle your packets,
> may i suggest IPSEC?
Sometimes I use IPSEC, but, I don't want my ISP to diddle my packets
whether they're tunneled or not. Fortunately, so far, I've been able
to find ISPs that don't.
Owen
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