[79966] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Offering Naked DSL in Northeast...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jason Slagle)
Tue Apr 19 10:04:28 2005
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Slagle <raistlin@tacorp.net>
To: Alex Rubenstein <alex@nac.net>
Cc: Matt Taber <tabes@wmis.net>,
"Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg@netzero.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.62.0504190855010.1204@vanadium.hq.nac.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> I am not sure what Verizon you are talking about, but the Verizon in my area
> (aka Bell Atlantic, aka New Jersey Bell) (at least used to) have, for some
> reason, have a cat 5000 in between us and the DSLAM. We see about 27 or so
> PVC's for the whole state. Verizon refers to these PVC's as PVC's to each
> 'switch.' Conjecture is that there is some insane type of LANE and god knows
> what going on. You run PPPOE over this, and in some limited cases, it's
> stable.
That seems to be how the SBC model works here. It's not bad, except when
they forget to tell you about a new Redback device they turn up.
In Verizonland here, they will just deliver you a PVC per customer, and
you get to pick how you want to provision them (1483/PPPOE/etc). This
seems to be better in some cases, as you can do RFC1483 then and not have
MTU issues. If SBC would run larger MTU's internally so you could do do
1500 with PPPoE, it wouldn't be as bad.
> Yes, many LECs under your feet is interesting. Within 100 miles of our
> office, we have more than I can even think of (Verizon-NJ Bell,
> Verizon-NYNEX, Verizon-PA, Verizon-GTE, Sprint/United, Warwick Valley
> Telephone, SBC-SNET, Citizens-Frontier, RCI-Frontier.
Ha!
I think Putnam County, OH holds the record of most telco's in a county.
Take a look at this map:
http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/statemap/phone_e.pdf
Jason
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