[79637] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dean Anderson)
Tue Apr 12 17:02:24 2005
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20050412124916.D17120@cgi.jachomes.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > But even if they did purchase the copyright from Berkeley, we are talking
> > about what amounts to packet signatures. Fair use allows one to create
> > interoperable products. [DMCA 1201(f), I think].
> You can't "purchase a copyright" to a trademark, Dean.
I didn't say you could "'purchase a copyright' to a trademark". Such a
phrase is nonsense. [I am the LPF president for 14 years, I know a bit
about trademarks, copyrights, and patents. The LPF is the reason you don't
have 'user interface copyrights', and is why you have things such as Zebra
and Quagga.]
But I should have said 'purchase the trademark', instead. Usually, when
one purchases a copyright, one also gets the trademark. One can purchase
them separately--Indeed, I just reminded the IETF lawyer of this recently.
For example, The Open Group owns the trademark for Unix. Novell claimed
never to have transferred ownership of the patents, and SCO owns the
copyright.
> If someone already *holds* a trademark -- something one gets by
> *activity of commerce*,
You do not get a trademark merely by activity in commerce. Rather,
activity in commerce is a prerequisite to obtaining a right to a
trademark. A trademark must be identified as a trademark or registered.
And if you haven't used it in commerce, you have no rights to it.
> you can purchase a *license* to use it.
Yes, you _can_ purchase a *license*, if a license is offered. But the mark
itself can also be sold. Same goes for a copyright. Same goes for
patents.
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