[79003] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: T1 vs. T2 [WAS: Apology: [Tier-2 reachability and multihoming]]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Mon Mar 28 10:18:44 2005
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:17:21 +0100 (BST)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
Nanog Mailing list <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <16968.7234.645268.204938@roam.psg.com>
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
> > Firstly, peering isn't binary. Is peering vs transit a distinction based on
> > routes taken / accepted & readvertised, or on cost? Does "paid for peering"
> > count as peering or transit? If you pay by volume? If you pay for "more than
> > your fair share" of the interconnect pipes? (if the latter, I am guessing
> > there are actually no Tier 1s as everyone reckons they pay for more than
> > their fair share...).
>
> pay? did i say pay? i discussed announcement and receipt of prefixes. this
> was not an accident. it is measurable.
i also avoided money.. i dont think its that relevant, everyone is paying for
peering or transit in one form or another, i dont think any peering is free
(free != settlement free)
> > Secondly, it doesn't cover scenarios that have have happened in the past.
> > For instance, the route swap. EG Imagine networks X1, X2, X3, X4 are "Tier
> > 1" as Randy describes them. Network Y peers with all the above except X1.
> > Network Z peers with all the above except X2. Y & Z peer. To avoid Y or Z
> > needing to take transit, Y sends Z X2's routes (and sends Z's routes to X2
> > routes marked "no export" to X2's peers), and Z sends Y X1's routes (and
> > sends Y's routes to X1 marked "no export" to X1's peers). Perhaps they do
> > this for free. Perhaps they charge eachother for it and settle up at the end
> > of each month. Perhaps it's one company that's just bought another.
"transit (n). The act of passing over, across, or through; passage."
whether it is a settlement arrangement or a mutual swap, they do NOT have
peering, they ARE transitting and by our definition are not transit-free (and
hence not tier1)
however alex, you do highlight an excellent point - things are not as simple as
'tier1, tier2', there are complicated routing and financial arrangements in
operation, which brings me back to my earlier point: does it matter what a
network is paying for some connectivity providing they deliver to you the
connectivity you need at the quality you desire?
Steve
