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Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (trainier@kalsec.com)
Fri Mar 4 16:06:15 2005
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To: nanog@nanog.org
From: trainier@kalsec.com
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:05:22 -0500
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Seems to me that said company "BroadVoice?" was attempting to prevent the
use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition
with it's current phone customers. It's kind of a tough issue to deal
with, if you think about it.
There are two sides to the issue:
1.) FCC doesn't want companies preventing other companies from competing.
2.) On the other hand, how do you tell a company what services it can or
can't block?
The fact is, the company was preventing it's users from using technology
offered by said company's competitors.
There are parts of this country from which you don't have "other isp"
options.
You mentioned something about ports. I highly doubt that BroadVoice used
ports to deny the service.
I'm sure the blocks were at least a little bit more complicated than just
blocking out ports.
It's a very interesting issue. For once, I tend to agree with the FCC on
this one.
Regards,
Tim Rainier
Nathan Allen Stratton <nathan@robotics.net>
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US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/70081/us-slaps-fine-on-company-blocking-voip.html
I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
Frankly, I don't see the point, any provider that requires 5060 or any
other port to offer VoIP services deserves to be shutoff by networks
blocking those ports. It is just to easy to talk to CPE on any port.
><>
Nathan Stratton BroadVoice, Inc.
nathan at robotics.net Talk IS Cheap
http://www.robotics.net
http://www.broadvoice.com
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Seems to me that said company "BroadVoice?"
was attempting to prevent the use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">with it's current phone customers. It's
kind of a tough issue to deal with, if you think about it.<br>
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There are two sides to the issue:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1.) FCC doesn't want companies
preventing other companies from competing.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2.) On the other hand, how do
you tell a company what services it can or can't block?<br>
<br>
The fact is, the company was preventing it's users from using technology
offered by said company's competitors.<br>
There are parts of this country from which you don't have "other isp"
options. <br>
<br>
You mentioned something about ports. I highly doubt that BroadVoice
used ports to deny the service.<br>
I'm sure the blocks were at least a little bit more complicated than just
blocking out ports.<br>
<br>
It's a very interesting issue. For once, I tend to agree with the
FCC on this one.<br>
<br>
Regards,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Tim Rainier</font>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: owner-nanog@merit.edu</font>
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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/70081/us-slaps-fine-on-company-blocking-voip.html<br>
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I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why<br>
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers<br>
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??<br>
<br>
Frankly, I don't see the point, any provider that requires 5060 or any<br>
other port to offer VoIP services deserves to be shutoff by networks<br>
blocking those ports. It is just to easy to talk to CPE on any port.<br>
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Nathan Stratton
BroadVoice,
Inc.<br>
nathan at robotics.net
Talk IS
Cheap<br>
http://www.robotics.net
http://www.broadvoice.com<br>
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