[77865] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: The Cidr Report
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Neil J. McRae)
Sat Feb 12 06:06:36 2005
From: "Neil J. McRae" <neil@DOMINO.ORG>
To: "'Mike Leber'" <mleber@he.net>,
"'Stephen J. Wilcox'" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
Cc: "'Frotzler, Florian'" <Florian.Frotzler@one.at>,
<nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:06:14 -0000
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0502111225340.17707-100000@ruby.he.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Mike,
> It seems to me they get paid to carry prefixes by their customers.
>
> And their peers listen to the prefixes because they make
> money by using those prefixes.
I'm sure this type of statement helps drug dealers to sleep at night! :-)
If the top 100 AS's de-aggregated and increased the routes they
announce by 6000 each would we be so content?
> However, if you are the one filtering and all your
> competitors figure out how to handle 154,000 routes then you
> will be at a competitive disadvantage.
But its not just 154,000 routes though is it?! If we all start
doing this at a much increased rate [as we've seen in recent times]
then it will be more like 1,540,000 routes.
When we cleaned the issue from 8220 we found that a lot of the issues
were config issues and ancient history transient workarounds for
problems that were not fixed after the event. The issue we see is
bad aggregation - the root cause is bad practise and processes
that manifest into bad aggregation. I would argue that
networks with poor aggregation are also networks that will tend to
have more routeing issues and other outages although I have no
data to back that claim up.
> Coincidentally, the largest networks also spend the most with
> their vendors and get to tell the vendors what they want in
> the next generation of boxes they buy.
And look how well that's worked out not notably on this issue.
Regards,
Neil.
