[76177] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chad Skidmore)
Thu Dec 2 19:27:33 2004
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:25:02 -0800
From: "Chad Skidmore" <cskidmore@go180.net>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
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> From: Justin Ryburn [mailto:justin@ryburn.org]=20
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:18 PM
> To: Chad Skidmore; nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: How many backbones here are filtering the=20
> makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?
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> This is what scares me. Who determines the "bad guys?" I=20
> don't know anyone over at Lycos so I have no trust (or lack=20
> there of) in Lycos. Who is to say that Lycos won't decide=20
> next month that Yahoo, Google, MSN, _insert your own network=20
> here_ are "bad guys" and point the screen saver at them. Are=20
> they likely to do it? Probably not; it would be a PR=20
> nightmare for them. But who is to stop them? What if they=20
> don't go so extreme and just point the screen saver at "gray=20
> hat" hosts who are open relays or something?
I agree 100%. I believe that I get to decide what is or is not "ok"
traffic on my network. I define that in my AUP and customers agree
to and understand that when they buy service from me.
> My opinion (not that anyone asked) is retaliation is childish=20
> and unprofessional. I remember the Internet before Spam,=20
Also agree 100%. If there is traffic hitting my network that I don't
believe is "ok" then I can choose not to carry that traffic on my
network. It doesn't give me the right to attack the originator of
that traffic or the person that I "believe" to be the originator of
that traffic.
That's why I am a very firm believer in the power of "ip route
x.x.x.x y.y.y.y null0" command. :) Makes the problem go away for me
(for the most part) and doesn't cause anyone else any pain as a
result except my customers, who agreed to let me use that power when
they purchased service from me.
> botnets, DDOS, etc.
> and dream of a day when these are "under control" again just=20
> as much as the next geek. However, stooping to the level of=20
> the miscreant is not the answer to the problem in my opinion.
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> Justin Ryburn
> justin@ryburn.org
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> "Dance like nobody's watching; love like you've never been=20
> hurt. Sing like nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on
> earth."=20
> -- Mark Twain
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Chad E Skidmore
One Eighty Networks, Inc.
http://www.go180.net
509-688-8180
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