[76014] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: "Make love, not spam"....
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (chuck goolsbee)
Mon Nov 29 18:20:49 2004
In-Reply-To: <a06100500bdd0fc0f9d6c@[66.6.34.245]>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:10:33 -0800
To: nanog@merit.edu
From: chuck goolsbee <chucklist@forest.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
>>It's a DDOS. The risk of collateral damage is high.
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>From what limited information is available in the articles, it
>doesn't sound that way. It's not really a DDoS attack, but more of
>a "distributed web surfing bot."
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>I understand this as more of a Distributed Consumption of Service
>attack. (Is the acronym DCoS used yet?) Real requests, downloading
>real data, to real computers. A lot of them. T
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>The big difference between Lycos Europe, and a script kiddie with
>zombies is that Lycos is mature enough to use restraint and not
>knock down websites with brute force. They're attempting to use the
>politically correct "grown up" way to attack someone: economics.
>
>How is giving the spammers what they want (real web site traffic) an
>attack? That doesn't even qualify!
How many bogus URLs are embedded into spam content? A: Lots.
They are used to obscure words to get past filters, or as red herring
targets or joe-jobs. A DDoS is a DDoS, no matter how "benign" one
might think it is, or how "evil/deserving" the target is perceived to
be.
The risk of collateral damage is way too high.
--
Chuck Goolsbee V.P. Technical Operations
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