[75798] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ULA and RIR cost-recovery
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Crist Clark)
Wed Nov 24 15:54:49 2004
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:52:21 -0800
From: Crist Clark <crist.clark@globalstar.com>
In-reply-to: <2147483647.1101212496@[172.17.1.14]>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: 'North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes' <nanog@merit.edu>
Reply-To: crist.clark@globalstar.com
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I have never been a fan of the registered ULAs, and have argued against
>> the IETF's attempts to state specific monetary values or lifetime
>> practice as a directive to the RIRs; but I am equally bothered by the
>> thought that the operator community would feel a need to fight against
>> something that really doesn't impact them.
>
>
> Perhaps it is because in the perception of the operator community, we do
> not believe it will not impact us. The reality is that once registered
> ULAs
> become available, the next and obvious step will be enterprises that
> receive
> them demanding that their providers route them. Economic pressure will
> override IETF ideal, and, operator impact is the obvious result.
Do customers demand that their ISPs route RFC1918 addresses now? (And
that's an honest question. I am not being sarcastic.) Wouldn't the IPv6
ULA answer be the same as the IPv4 RFC1918 answer, "I could announce
those networks for you, but no one else would accept the routes. (And
I would be ridiculed straight off of NANOG.)" I presume everyone will
be filtering the ULA prefix(es), link local, loopback, and other
obvious bogons from their tables. How does this enterprise demand that
other providers route the ULA prefixes too?
If we're talking about routing ULAs within a providers network, I'd
think providers would love them. Right now, an enterprise can buy a
"corporate VPN" or layer two network to route "private" addresses.
Wouldn't providers be happy to offer the same service, for the same
extra $$$, in IPv6? Especially when you consider that you can just
drop the routes for the ULAs in your interior routing tables since
ULAs are well, unique, and you're done. No tunnelling or other levels of
indirection required. Charge the same or more for the "business-level
service" that you offer now, but there is less work for you to do it.
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Crist J. Clark crist.clark@globalstar.com
Globalstar Communications (408) 933-4387
