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Re: who gets a /32 [Re: IPV6 renumbering painless?]

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Iljitsch van Beijnum)
Mon Nov 22 04:18:24 2004

In-Reply-To: <019c01c4cffe$29b7a300$6801a8c0@stephen>
Cc: "North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes" <nanog@merit.edu>
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:15:36 +0100
To: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


On 21-nov-04, at 20:12, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

>> The point is, that these days applications such as mail and web are 
>> sufficiently heavy that you can't even run them cost effectively over 
>> dial up (wasting your employee's time costs more than the fatter 
>> line) let alone less.

> That assumes the company wants their employees using web or email, or 
> that there are even humans at a site to begin with.

No it doesn't, but if this is not the case, then this clause kicks in:

>> if you don't connect to the internet you don't contribute to the 
>> global routing table so there is no issue.  :-)

>> It would be interested to see some good statistics on this stuff. 
>> However many enterprises any of us has seen from the inside, it's 
>> still unlikly to be a statistically relevant sample.

> An unfiltered BGP feed should give you stats on what's quoted 
> immediately above.  If you want numbers of publicly-invisible hosts, 
> even if you knew who to ask most would refuse to answer for "security 
> reasons" or require an NDA.

No, that's not what I'm interested in. What I'd like to know is how 
many big organizations backhaul their internet traffic to one or a few 
central sites, and how many connect to one or more ISPs locally at 
different sites.


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