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Re: Blackhole Routes

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Kasten)
Thu Sep 30 16:49:00 2004

Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:47:30 -0400
From: Mark Kasten <mark.kasten@savvis.net>
To: Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20040930200748.GC24690@overlord.e-gerbil.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


Richard A Steenbergen wrote:


> That said, it is still absolutely silly that we can't standardize on a 
> globally accepted blackhole community. A provider with many transit 
> upstreams who wishes to pass on blackhole routes for their customers could 
> quickly find themselves with some very messy configs and announcements 
> trying to get everyones' specific blackhole community in place. I know 
> we've all been tossing this idea around for a number of years, but if it 
> hasn't been done already will someone please get this put into a draft 
> already.
> 

The problem with this is authentication.  I can authenticate prefixes my 
customers advertise me (as much as currently possible anyway).  I can't 
authenticate a prefix coming in from a peer that is not filtered.  If an 
ISP were to accept any prefix with 65535:666 as a triggered blackhole, 
how do you trust that?  As much as I agree that a global blackhole 
community would be nice, that's a big gotcha with potential liability 
attached.


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