[74365] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [nanog] Re: The worst abuse e-mail ever, sverige.net
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dan Mahoney, System Admin)
Thu Sep 23 10:59:59 2004
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" <danm@prime.gushi.org>
To: Lars-Johan Liman <liman@autonomica.se>
Cc: Paul Wouters <paul@xtdnet.nl>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <22u0tpaw8k.fsf_-_@aptop.autonomica.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Lars-Johan Liman wrote:
>
> paul@xtdnet.nl:
>> Correction, the world *can't* let you be a well functioning
>> exception.
>> People always scream 'no censorship', but there is only that many more
>> mail servers and preprocessing machines you can throw at a $20/month
>> account.
>
> Hmm. "You get what you pay for.", you mean? I can
>
> If you mean that if I pay enough money, I can get a DSL (or even
> leased line) service with fixed IP address, and proper rDNS, that is
> not filtered by recipient MTAs. Sure. I probably could -
> theoretically.
>
>> the real question is, how much money is it worth it for you. But
>> don't put to blame on us for not adding another rack of mailservers
>> so people like you can get their mail out.
>
> I'm opposed to marketing systems that actively (means it costs them
> money) put in restrictions in systems to make me pay more to have
> them remove it again.
>
> It's not worth the 5-fold amount that they will charge me, but if I
> can't use the 'net propersly, it might not be worth connecting to at
> all, so they'll lose me as customer.
>
> One port blocked is not much to quarrel over in practice, but this is
> a trend. Mail goes first. Web comes next ("we funnel all your web
> traffic through our cache"). VOIP is around the corner. It's like a
> phone system where the won't let you call anyone on the phone
> system. "If you want to call to this part of the world, you will have
> to call through our listening station, and if you don't want to do
> that, you can buy our premium service for $200 per minute." Sorry, it
> doesn't strike me as tempting at all.
If that's the case, then you learn to rise above it with tunneling, IPSEC,
VPN or any of a number of technologies that have been around for the past
ten years. And yes, this requires a box on the outside. We're in the era
of the $50 a month dedicated server, here. If you're trying to put a
commercial grade service on a consumer grade line, deal with it.
This is getting really far off-topic at this point. We're clear people
are of two opinions on things, and nobody's going to change their mind.
Anyone care to let it rest?
-Dan
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