[73572] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dickson, Brian)
Sun Aug 29 12:36:13 2004
From: "Dickson, Brian" <BDickson@arbinet.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:35:16 -0400
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Aha. It appears I was correct in framing my knowledge as out-of-date. :-)
It looks like the technology *has* advanced, and that 10GE on MMF or SMF,
single-channel, is what the current state of the art is, and at the $2k-3k
unit price.
In which case, yes, not offering this (and not building cards to use cheaper
and/or more flexible component, ie XENPAK), is likely going to be a huge
mistake Cisco. Unless they bite the bullet and do whatever it takes to make
xenpak-based 10G cards, on at least some flavour of card on any 10G
platform.
(I don't really expect a xenpak-compatible version of soho routers to show
up, although it *would* be nice as an option on most of their switch
families.)
So, I sit corrected. ;-)
BTW, thanks for pointing this out; it's nice to see that things haven't
completely stagnated in the last couple of years.
Brian
P.S. At that price level, I actually *do* expect another Swede will have, or
already has, one or more of this class of box at home. In his WC, even. ;-)
P.P.S. He's not crazy. But he *should* have a t-shirt that says "I'm with
STUPI". ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se]
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:08 PM
To: Dickson, Brian
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
Then why can I purchase 10km 10GE Xenpaks directly from the manufacturer for
under $2000?
> On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper 10GBIC, even if its
> max cable length were a few metres. ;-)
There is one. It's called CX4 and has a reach of 15 meters. Cisco sold it
for $600 list price at first but it has now disappeared from the price list.
I don't know why.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/modules/ps4835/products_data_sheet091
86a008007cd00.html
--
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Aha. It appears I was correct in framing my knowledge =
as out-of-date. :-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like the technology *has* advanced, and that =
10GE on MMF or SMF, single-channel, is what the current state of the =
art is, and at the $2k-3k unit price.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In which case, yes, not offering this (and not =
building cards to use cheaper and/or more flexible component, ie =
XENPAK), is likely going to be a huge mistake Cisco. Unless they bite =
the bullet and do whatever it takes to make xenpak-based 10G cards, on =
at least some flavour of card on any 10G platform.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(I don't really expect a xenpak-compatible version of =
soho routers to show up, although it *would* be nice as an option on =
most of their switch families.)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, I sit corrected. ;-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>BTW, thanks for pointing this out; it's nice to see =
that things haven't completely stagnated in the last couple of =
years.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.S. At that price level, I actually *do* expect =
another Swede will have, or already has, one or more of this class of =
box at home. In his WC, even. ;-)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.P.S. He's not crazy. But he *should* have a t-shirt =
that says "I'm with STUPI". ;-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Mikael Abrahamsson [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:08 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Dickson, Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media =
Converter Behavior)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Then why can I purchase 10km 10GE Xenpaks directly =
from the manufacturer for under $2000?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper =
10GBIC, even if its </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> max cable length were a few metres. ;-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is one. It's called CX4 and has a reach of 15 =
meters. Cisco sold it for $600 list price at first but it has now =
disappeared from the price list. I don't know why.</FONT></P>
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products_data_sheet09186a008007cd00.html</A></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mikael Abrahamsson email: =
swmike@swm.pp.se</FONT>
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