[72544] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Regional differences in P2P
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michel Py)
Fri Jul 16 15:28:36 2004
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:27:58 -0700
From: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>
To: <sthaug@nethelp.no>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
> Steinar Haug wrote:
> Telenor, the largest Norwegian service provider, capped their
> ADSL customers at a ridiculously low 1 Gbyte/month for a
> while. Presumably they lost sufficient business to other
> (uncapped) providers that they noticed - the cap has now been
> removed.
Ridiculous is the word here. Download two service packs and you're done
for the month? I can understand this happening in Brazil or India, where
caps are a tool to attract enough customers so they bring revenue that
in turn will be re-injected in much needed backbone upgrades, but in
Norway or the US it does not make a lot of sense to me.
>> Michel Py wrote:
>> I agree, but see above: a 40GB/mo cap is not something that
>> I care about. Granted, I'm not a hardcore file swapper but
>> 40GB/mo are more
> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> I don't know of any capped service over here, nobody dares
> take the first step. The largest 10meg provider here launched
> a new 100 meg full duplex service for their approx 200.000
> household reach at USD$110 a month with a 300G cap (their 10
> meg service for $45 a month is uncapped) and there has been
> a fair amount of users complaining about 300G not being nearly
> enough. When you start swapping DVDRs it just isn't.
There is a need for capping 10 and 100 meg residential though; if you
want to run your 100 Mb/s pipe full all the time it represents 26TB per
month in each direction; you can't give 2/3rds of an OC-3 to a customer
for $110/mo. A 300GB/mo cap means that the customer is using their line
an average of 1.15%, which brings the interesting question of what a
reasonable speed/cap ration should be.
1.5 Mb/s =3D 389 GB/mo
10 Mb/s =3D 2.6 TB/mo
100 Mb/s =3D 26 TB/mo
Speed/cap ratios:
1.5 Mb/s capped at 1 GB/mo =3D 0.25% ridiculous IMHO
10 Mb/s capped at 40 GB/mo =3D 1.54%
100 Mb/s capped at 300 GB/mo =3D 1.15%
Thoughts, anyone?
Michel.