[69572] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Lazy network operators
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Vivien M.)
Wed Apr 14 14:08:47 2004
From: "Vivien M." <vivienm@dyndns.org>
To: "'Stephen J. Wilcox'" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:04:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404141456300.800-100000@server2.tcw.telecomplete.net>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On=20
> Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox
> Sent: April 14, 2004 9:59 AM
> To: daryl@introspect.net
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: Lazy network operators
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> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, daryl@introspect.net wrote:
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> > > Not being happy with the ISP's smarthost is not=20
> justification to run=20
> > > your own; you should change ISPs.. assuming we implement this=20
> > > locked
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> > That's a super idea. Now explain how that works when you=20
> have access=20
> > to only a single broadband provider. If you already=20
> thought of this=20
> > scenario, you're seriously underestimating the number of people in=20
> > this situation.
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> In my example I suggested that there would be tiers of=20
> service, for an extra fee=20
> they would give you a service where you could run your smarthost.
I don't know how they do it in the UK, but in many North American =
places,
the random large corporation providing high-speed residential/small-biz
services don't WANT to offer tiered services. Oh, sure, they have a few
tiers that differ on speed (and sometimes monthly bandwidth =
restrictions),
but that's it, and that's all they want to do. These providers like
providing the same thing to everybody (for example, if you get X POP3
accounts with your service, and you need X+1, they will NOT sell you an
extra POP3 for $2/month or whatever), because it reduces cost, and they =
do
NOT give a damn about the technologically-skilled user who wants to run
their own small-scale $PROTOCOL server, etc. It's not a matter of "give =
us
$Y and we'll do/let you do it", it's a "you can't do that. End of =
story."
from their outsourced tech support guy.
The "go elsewhere" argument against big impersonal ISPs that aren't able =
to
match your needs isn't workable for many people, as was pointed out. For
some people, the best solution is to buy IP connectivity from the big =
ISP,
avoid using any of their other services (yes, I have fetchmail download =
mail
from my POP3 at my ISP, but do I _use_ that account for anything? =
Obviously
not), and do your own thing. If you advocate restricting this IP
connectivity further, then you're screwing such people over, and =
possibly
creating a big market for people on Mr. Vixie's list of colo =
providers...
Vivien
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Vivien M.
vivienm@dyndns.org
Assistant System Administrator
Dynamic Network Services, Inc.
http://www.dyndns.org/=20
