[69561] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Lazy network operators
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Senie)
Wed Apr 14 11:13:22 2004
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:03:26 -0400
To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>,
"nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu>
From: Daniel Senie <dts@senie.com>
In-Reply-To: <E1BDlL8-0006ge-00@smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
At 10:26 AM 4/14/2004, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:09:39 +0000 (UTC), Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> >>You, sure, how about the people who are not really computer literate and
> >>use SMTP AUTH to send their mail from various places? Remember that
> >>convinience almost always outweighs security with the general
> >>population. If it wouldn=B4t, the ICT market would not look like it=
looks
> >>today.
> >
> >That was solved 6 years ago. You let them use port 587 instead of 25.
> >http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html
>
>Another datapoint.
>
>That may have been "solved 6 years ago" in theory, but in practice it
>is not and that needs to be addressed before one can point the unwashed
>masses to this option. I am rumoured to be literate computer user and
>after many months of trying I cannot find a combination of providers
>and software which will accomplish this for me. I travel a lot and need
>this service.
We've been offering service using Submission for many years. We support on=
=20
our servers, and our clients use any of several mail programs to interact=20
successfully with it including Outlook Express, Outlook, Eudora, Netscape,=
=20
Mozilla, etc.
No, none of the programs is yet smart enough to try port 587 on its own=20
prior to using port 25. Nonetheless, it is not hard to select port 587 in=20
the configuration.
We are far from the only provider supporting RFC 2476.
Because we are a (email/web) hosting provider, and don't offer local=20
access, none of our customers are given access to our mail servers based on=
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their IP address. The only access we allow is authenticated access.
