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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:40:20 -0600 From: Kelly Setzer <Kelly.Setzer@LiquidChicken.org> To: John Todd <jtodd@loligo.com> Cc: nanog@merit.edu In-Reply-To: <p06020403bc7f8b7b7b6f@loligo.com> Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:41:53AM -0800, John Todd wrote: [...] > >> Realweasel is a great idea if you can afford it -- but the PCI version > >> lists for $350, which is as expensive as some used 1U servers on EBay. > > > >Is there an effective alternative? All the intel "servers" these days > >seem to have one of those handy-dandy (note: sarcasm) ethernet ports > > $250 (Cisco 2511 w/cables) + 2x$200 (APC 9210) + 16x$270 (1u Intel > PIII 650/2x18gSCSI/1g) = $4970 for 16 > remotely-configurable/rebootable machines in 19u of space. Now, > double that for 38u (4u short of a full rack) and add a Cisco 3548 at > $1600. That turns into $11540 for 34 machines, all remotely > manageable with remote power cycle. One of those systems could be an > altq traffic shaper/router. Not a bad configuration for a > best-effort 1u rental service. The trick of course is getting 32 > identically-configured 1u machines at this price, with some spares. > It's nice to buy equipment on eBay on a one-by-one basis, it doesn't > scale for bulk purchases of identical equipment. This is relevant, if tangential, to the current discussion on 1U colo for remote ops/looking glass/etc. Summary: 1) One respondent mentioned that Penguin Computing sells a complete system with a serial console/management port. I found the following links on Penguin's site: http://penguincomputing.com/store/relion-130.php (+ other select models) http://penguincomputing.com/support/serial_redirect.php 2) John Todd's excellent price break-down above is useful in the "best-effort" context. 3) Numerous respondents helpfully pointed out that a number of motherboards include a serial management/console port and have for several years. This is useful in environments where self-built systems are acceptable. In corporate environments, warranty and service issues may make that undesirable. 4) One nanog member indicated that I am an idiot. Personally, I recently priced intel server systems from a variety of major vendors including Dell, Compaq/HP, IBM, and Sun (intel-based). All of them offered (proprietary?) ethernet-based remote management. None offered serial management. Thanks to everyone for their responses. Kelly
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