[66181] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Internet law
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexei Roudnev)
Wed Dec 31 14:09:58 2003
From: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net>
To: "Eric M. Fiterman" <efiterman@pittsburghfbi.org>,
"JC Dill" <nanog@vo.cnchost.com>
Cc: "nanog" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:09:09 -0800
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
I can add, that, even if 'tracking back' do not work well, active defense
(honey pots, etc etc) works in 99% cases.
In our case (RU-CERT few years ago), main problem was time - any tracking or
honey pot acrtivities consumed tremendous time,
and resulted, in 99% cases, in revealing 2 more school students without any
clue in their brains.
But it works - set up a traps, allow to get control over a few systems and
trace actions back, generate (and than track usage) few _real_ credit card
numbers and few _real_ bank accounts - and, in time, you will have someone's
face... Technically - no any problem. (Legal issues are another story... in
States).
Alexei Roudnev
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric M. Fiterman" <efiterman@pittsburghfbi.org>
To: "JC Dill" <nanog@vo.cnchost.com>
Cc: "nanog" <nanog@merit.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Internet law
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, JC Dill wrote:
>
> >
> > At 11:01 AM 12/30/2003, you wrote:
> >
> > > >> when will we see the FBI, and other local police in
> > > >> the other countries send the script kiddies to the
> > > >> JAILL so we can use the internet without too much
> >
> > The cost of tracking down and prosecuting them, and the difficulty in
> > proving that what they are doing is against the law, is significant.
LEOs
> > don't understand how to investigate and prosecute criminal network
> > behavior, and they have other crimes they DO understand that presently
have
> > a higher priority. It will take a lot of money and education to the LEO
> > community before this will become a priority.
>
> I wanted to jump in and clarify a few things. First of all, we DO
> understand how to investigate these kinds of crimes. The cases may be
> more difficult because of the jurisdictional issues that arise, but we
> still work them. Internet/Cyber crime is one of the FBI's top
> investigative priorities, and the FBI is dedicating a lot of resources and
> personnel to prosecute Cyber criminals.
>
> Also keep in mind that the backgrounds of FBI Special Agents are
> changing; new Agents have more technical breadth and experience than they
> did before, and are well-suited for cyber investigations.
>
> -Eric
>
